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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nAnd breaded chicken is a chicken that has bread glued to it with its own period 🤷🏻‍♀️", ">\n\nAnd?\nActually, it sounds pretty good about now. I think I want some pig parts in the form of bacon on it also.", ">\n\nyou should check out the movie “dominion” (2018) it’s super relevant to this", ">\n\n1/2 pounder dead cow with melted curdled lactation and some mustard and ketchup sounds orgasmic right now.", ">\n\nI'll add pickled cucumbers to mine.", ">\n\nAnd it's the tastiest dead cow covered in its own lactations in this world." ]

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[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\"." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale.", ">\n\nFrom Zionist to Zionist transfer" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale.", ">\n\nFrom Zionist to Zionist transfer", ">\n\nThat man sure is raking in some interesting titles. Nazi, Satanist, fascist, and now a Zionist too. I bet it won't be long before someone calls him a communist and atheist." ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale.", ">\n\nFrom Zionist to Zionist transfer", ">\n\nThat man sure is raking in some interesting titles. Nazi, Satanist, fascist, and now a Zionist too. I bet it won't be long before someone calls him a communist and atheist.", ">\n\nIsrael didn’t scream ?" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale.", ">\n\nFrom Zionist to Zionist transfer", ">\n\nThat man sure is raking in some interesting titles. Nazi, Satanist, fascist, and now a Zionist too. I bet it won't be long before someone calls him a communist and atheist.", ">\n\nIsrael didn’t scream ?", ">\n\nHezbollah’s grand plan is working" ]

[ "Oh you need some gun, missiles, and tanks? Here's a bunch of stuff from my closet, we weren't going to use it anyways.", ">\n\nWell, we were, unfortunately it's outdated by our standards but was designed to kick Russia's ass in the Cold War era, which is perfect because they haven't advanced their capabilities at all since then.", ">\n\nThe difference between \"we built one of these things, lets show off how awesome we are\" and \"ooooo shiny new toy, let's order 10,000 as a trial run\"", ">\n\nThis is closer to a friend saying \"Hey I made too much casserole out of some leftovers, wanna come over and take some off my hands?\"", ">\n\nEven closer to that friend who is really into fishing. And is getting rid of old stock in his freezer to make room for this year's catch", ">\n\nGreat. Israel has wherewithal to defend itself so no pain to them and Ukraine will receive much needed aid to fight off Russian.", ">\n\nWas it meant for Israel to use? I figured they kept it there for their ships to pick up for quick use if they need to run through the Suez and into the Red Sea with said arms or go over land to Iraq or go use it on Syria", ">\n\nI should have worded better. Yeah, the supplies are not for Israelis to use but for American military personnel to use in case of trouble in Middle East.\nEdit: In case of emergency Israelis are allowed to use it.", ">\n\nThe article stated the US has let them use weapons from this stash in the past", ">\n\nThat I was not aware. Thanks for the info.", ">\n\nThis is a good thing, we should have done this a long time ago though", ">\n\nUnfortunately Israel is toeing an annoying line between angering Moscow and angering Washington, all so they can have more unfettered access to Syria to harass Iran, even though Iran is helping Russia. It's a convoluted mess.\nIt's a good thing Israel chose to let the US use their own stockpile to send to Ukraine.", ">\n\nYou're not portraying Israel's side of this very fairly. Russia allows Israel to strike Iranian assets in Syria, and this helps to prevent (relatively) advanced weapons and supplies from being provided through this route to Hezbollah, a group that dominates Lebanon and is hostile to Israel. If Israel sours things with Moscow, that could directly mean bigger, longer ranged, and more advanced weapons rain down on their cities the next time a conflict happens with Hezbollah, even worse than last time in 2006. It's also probable that leaving this unchecked allows more weapons to reach Hamas, which regularly strikes civilian targets in Israel with rockets. \nI'm not saying Israel never does anything bad. I'm just saying it's not really fair to call it \"harassing Iran\".", ">\n\nthe US just has a random stockpile of weapons in Israel? I thought it was crazy when the US sent them soviet tanks and soviet equipment.. I mean how did they even get that? This is crazy", ">\n\nYou could buy every homelessperson in America an averageAmerican house - paid off, in full, in cash, and it would cost less than 20% of this year's defense budget. \n582,000 homeless * $275,000 house= $160,050,000,000. (160 billion dollars) \n160/858 = 18%", ">\n\nYou forget that a lot of this goes to pay salaries and for aid to foreigners who are in distress. The US is the sole enforcer of maritime trade safety for the entire globe. The scale of services we provide to the world and salaries we pay them and to our soldiers cannot be matched by any other country. The United States of America is the backer for any allied military in the event of a large scale war. Homeless people should probably get jobs or utilize existing benefits even if it means they have to stop substance abuse. Temporary homelessness assistance is drained by the chronically homeless drug addicted criminals.", ">\n\nI agree to an extent. Social services for issues like mental health were pretty much erased under Regan. He left it to the states and most states said the money was better spent on rich people needs. Homelessness can't be fixed by buying houses for people, but we need a place to put the most sick of those people and we need a way to cover the cost of ensuring our streets are not littered with human shit from people with schizophrenia.", ">\n\nIf everybody had a minimal place to live then homelessness would be cured, within a margin of error. What am I missing when everybody agrees that homelessness can't be fixed with housing?", ">\n\nThe chronically sick who are homeless by choice with untreated mental health. Homelessness isn't just people without a home, it's often people who don't participate in society through work, their needs vary depending on the individual. Some just are not well enough to operate in routine. Like waking up, doing choirs, cleaning a home. Upkeep, preparing food and then cleaning. Some people will literally just treat a house like the street and then in an apartment environment it causes issues like mice and roach infestation. Basically not everyone has the same needs and wants out of life and you can't force a square peg into a circle hole.", ">\n\nI get it and we should have help for those people, a free house isn't help. It's a handout that has to be paid for. And it also dismiss what we get in return for our military being able to secure the world's shipping lanes and the strength of the US dollar by being the world's only superpower.", ">\n\nSoooo…. Next time someone complains about the US defense budget should we just point to everything that is going on now?\nLike how the rate of fires is such that the UK’s entire stockpile of artillery munitions would be expended within a week?\nOr how only the US has the capability to provide missile defense systems? And armor on a scale that can top the scale? Or artillery tubes? Or rockets? Or the more mundane munitions? Or the satellite surveillance? Or the constant air surveillance? Or the bazillions of anti tank and anti air missiles?\nI am glad that the Europeans have donated some; but a lot of it was equipment they had intended to retire anyways - and not replace. And even then it has been a relative drop in the bucket. \nThe point is that defense is expensive. Until it isn’t. That doesn’t mean we should just pile it on, Eisenhower’s warning is as prescient today as when he made it, but we should always be cognizant of just how destructive these endeavors are. If it were not for the US Ukraine would have been conquered. Full stop. \nOf course, the US is also feeling the strain. Decades of relative peace, relatively low intensity conflicts, etc. has seen a significant atrophying of the industrial base. Heck, the remaining tank plant was supposed to be mothballed but Congress stepped in and forced it to remain open. Stinger missiles have not been procured for a decade and a half. Almost half of the US munitions plants have been shuttered in the past 10-12 years. The largest ordnance depot in the world has sat almost entirely empty since the Gulf War… it was never restocked. \nSomething to think about. A few bucks ahead of time seems like a hell of a deal when the alternative is to pay in blood later.", ">\n\nIt's absolutely bonkers that this started out as a \"new type of war\" that was being fought through media channels and telecommunication, and international oil and gas spigots, and nuclear threats, and introduced the world to drone versus drone combat, and now it's devolved into just a race to produce artillery shells faster.", ">\n\n\ndrone versus drone combat\n\nThere's a video of a Ukrainian drone stealing a Russian radio too.", ">\n\nI don’t think arms are going to be much use against conventional weapons but alright.", ">\n\nI heard they're bear arms though. Could cause some damage with the claws.", ">\n\nNo one is surprised that Israel has stockpiles of American arms and ammunition.", ">\n\nThat has been widely known for years. Every so often the topic comes up. Usually someone brings up the point of the US giving free weapons to Israel and the defense is they are holding some of it for the US.", ">\n\nExactly. US has strategic stockpiles in a \"friendly\" country in the Middle East should come as no shocker. Stuff has just been sitting there since the 90's and Gulf War though with sending more to account for attrition/expiration.", ">\n\nThey have more stock piles than just Israel as well. \nPrior to the second Iraq war I was tasked with helping movie vehicles to Kuwait for staging. The country we moved them from had a massive cave and mine system just full of new armored vehicles just tucked away waiting to be used.", ">\n\nMorocco?\nAnd I used some of that stuff in Iraq a couple times. Even sent some of it back to Kuwait near the end. TYFYS! (Thank you for your staging)", ">\n\nUnfortunately I can't say exactly as I know it is still classified but that is on the wrong side of the continent. \nIt was crazy knowing for 8+ months ahead of time before anything was announced as all the people in my unit went about their lives that we getting deployed sooner than not.", ">\n\nGood. \nIsrael doesn't need them and they are not helping.", ">\n\nIt's kind of crazy how little Israel has given Ukraine. They're one of the wealthiest nations per capita and probably the most beefed up militarily per capita.\nI know they're afraid given their history of wars with neighbors, but they're currently fighting adolescents with rocks. Their iron dome takes care of the rest.\nThey have one of the most advanced defense industry, yet they can't give even simple things to Ukraine. \nHow is it that the country made up of Holocaust survivors cannot see what Russia is doing? Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.", ">\n\n\n,Israel is afraid to go against Russia. Let that sink in. Israel is afraid to go against the country currently committing a genocide.\n\nNo they need the Russian airspace in syira to stop Irani militias....\nAlso it's funny that you want a country the size of new Jersey that is serrounded by enemies to help with a war on the other side of the world", ">\n\nShalom", ">\n\nThese articles always talk about arms transfers as though it's charity. It's sales.", ">\n\nIt's cute how people think this is a lot of money on a global scale.", ">\n\nFrom Zionist to Zionist transfer", ">\n\nThat man sure is raking in some interesting titles. Nazi, Satanist, fascist, and now a Zionist too. I bet it won't be long before someone calls him a communist and atheist.", ">\n\nIsrael didn’t scream ?", ">\n\nHezbollah’s grand plan is working", ">\n\nOr Hamas" ]

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[ "Akko Mod 008 (midnight blue) w/ poron gaskets & aluminum plate\nUsed all included foams + 1 sheet of a thin packing foam\nTape modded w/ 3 layers of Scotch Blue 2090\nForce-break modded w/ poron films\nZeal screw-in stabs V2 w/ Krytok 205g0 & poron holee mod & poron screw pads\nPoron stabilizer pads & stabilizer bar pads\nBoba U4T switches (68g)\nCotton spacebar silencer foam\nTeamwolf stainless steel keycaps\nYMDK Galaxy Dye Sub PBT keycaps\nHyekit Apollo Dye Sub PBT enter key\nAluminum astronaut artisan cap\nCustom CowKeebs aluminum badge\n\nBonus photo of badge. It's really hard to capture the lighting with my phone's camera though." ]

[ "Akko Mod 008 (midnight blue) w/ poron gaskets & aluminum plate\nUsed all included foams + 1 sheet of a thin packing foam\nTape modded w/ 3 layers of Scotch Blue 2090\nForce-break modded w/ poron films\nZeal screw-in stabs V2 w/ Krytok 205g0 & poron holee mod & poron screw pads\nPoron stabilizer pads & stabilizer bar pads\nBoba U4T switches (68g)\nCotton spacebar silencer foam\nTeamwolf stainless steel keycaps\nYMDK Galaxy Dye Sub PBT keycaps\nHyekit Apollo Dye Sub PBT enter key\nAluminum astronaut artisan cap\nCustom CowKeebs aluminum badge\n\nBonus photo of badge. It's really hard to capture the lighting with my phone's camera though.", ">\n\nThat badge is fkn sweet. For sure the second one." ]

[ "Akko Mod 008 (midnight blue) w/ poron gaskets & aluminum plate\nUsed all included foams + 1 sheet of a thin packing foam\nTape modded w/ 3 layers of Scotch Blue 2090\nForce-break modded w/ poron films\nZeal screw-in stabs V2 w/ Krytok 205g0 & poron holee mod & poron screw pads\nPoron stabilizer pads & stabilizer bar pads\nBoba U4T switches (68g)\nCotton spacebar silencer foam\nTeamwolf stainless steel keycaps\nYMDK Galaxy Dye Sub PBT keycaps\nHyekit Apollo Dye Sub PBT enter key\nAluminum astronaut artisan cap\nCustom CowKeebs aluminum badge\n\nBonus photo of badge. It's really hard to capture the lighting with my phone's camera though.", ">\n\nThat badge is fkn sweet. For sure the second one.", ">\n\nThank you!" ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile..." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother..." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?", ">\n\nNah, they are fairly deep and slant somewhat towards the back. You’d really have to be trying to fall off of one. Falling while getting off of one is another story, though." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?", ">\n\nNah, they are fairly deep and slant somewhat towards the back. You’d really have to be trying to fall off of one. Falling while getting off of one is another story, though.", ">\n\nI first read that as just \"chairs\" lmao..I was gonna ask if you've ever been around children" ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?", ">\n\nNah, they are fairly deep and slant somewhat towards the back. You’d really have to be trying to fall off of one. Falling while getting off of one is another story, though.", ">\n\nI first read that as just \"chairs\" lmao..I was gonna ask if you've ever been around children", ">\n\nTo be fair to chairlifts I think children sit better on them than regular chairs." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?", ">\n\nNah, they are fairly deep and slant somewhat towards the back. You’d really have to be trying to fall off of one. Falling while getting off of one is another story, though.", ">\n\nI first read that as just \"chairs\" lmao..I was gonna ask if you've ever been around children", ">\n\nTo be fair to chairlifts I think children sit better on them than regular chairs.", ">\n\nI should hope so." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nLike the Ski lifts? Actually pretty hard to fall out. It's balanced with your weight around 20-30% to the back, bit like a rocking chair. It's easy to throw yourself into the landing, because the upper body rocks the whole chair forward with your ski's hitting the ground usually. Tho... it's fairly common for some newer people to take an extra spin around their first time on the hill.", ">\n\nQuoted as the safest mode of transportation in North America. Source: pub quiz masters everywhere \nThe supporting math apparently looks at fatalities per passenger mile...", ">\n\nI'm shocked that it beats airplaines. They travel way further and are very safe. Maybe it is because there are few fatalities for chairlift? I wonder what the numbers look like for smaller injuries.", ">\n\nYea but the lifts ate just going on a continuous circle for at least 8 hours a day with you riding it multiple times. I can totally see it evening out.", ">\n\nHow many times do you need to ride to just match the distance taxiing to the runway? One flight is probably more distance than 99% of people's yearly chairlift distance.", ">\n\nNot sure how long all the lifts are, but I typically ski close to 1 million vertical feet per season, sometimes more. That’s around 190-200 miles per season. The resorts track this information using my lift pass.", ">\n\nIs that just vertical feet, or length of chair? The ones I know of only track vertical feet, and that's a lot less than distance on chair, so it's likely much farther in chair rides.\nFor example, Northwest Express at Mt Bachelor is almost 9,000' long, but \"only\" almost 2,400' vertical.\nBut yeah, even in just vertical, that's well over 200 miles per season. Get some!\n(Edit, just saw you said \"not sure how long the lifts are,\" so yeah, definitely a lot more than 200mi!)", ">\n\nYes it’s just vertical feet, not length of chair cable. Just pointing out that the lift can be much longer than the guy I responded to thought.", ">\n\nYup, misread your comment at first, but left mine up to help illustrate the length of chairlifts.\nSee ya on the slopes!", ">\n\nHaha yeah I think I misread yours too! Can’t wait for snow, I’m headed to Summit county for the whole month of February…", ">\n\nI fell off of one as a kid. Granted it was just taking off and I fell off because I wanted to see if I could skid my ski across the top of the snow and it got stuck causing me to face plant. Dad had to make the quick decision of jumping off at like 6ft. Kids are dumb.", ">\n\nMy mum once pushed my brother off the lift at around that Hight because he couldn't get fully on, and she was seriously worried he would fall off higher up. this was a while back when he was around 10, but still a funny memory", ">\n\nBoy do I have the terrible movie for you, Frozen 2010.\n3 kids gets stuck on a ski lift for 90 minutes", ">\n\nI still think they could have strung their clothes together for a makeshift rope.", ">\n\nYou're forgetting the wolves", ">\n\nYou're right! They could have strung the wolves together to make a rope!", ">\n\nBut would they have the arm strength to climb howl the way down?", ">\n\nYou could probably slide down like a fire pole. But how would you survive the elements at a closed ski resort? Silly premise for a movie but it was cheap to make.", ">\n\nIt shouldn’t be too surprising, people aren’t constantly falling out of regular chairs. All you have to do is sit. That’s not too difficult, now getting off gracefully is a whole nother...", ">\n\nNother. An other. ‘Nother … another. A whole another….?", ">\n\nNo, whole nother. They said it right there!", ">\n\nAs a father with a 4 and 7 yr old .. I think about it a lot now. My stomach drops quite a bit as they are at the very edge of the seat and not big enough to sit all the way back. I always seem to think of the worse outcome, but they are fine so I try my best to relax.", ">\n\nI snowboard every season, if anything my biggest fear is seating next to a psychopath that could push me off the chair. Nobody would know =/", ">\n\nUltimately this is where my thought process is going with this post.\nI don't doubt that the chairs are designed to be safe and secure, but there are stupid and reckless people out there. \nDuring my last trip to the hill I was in a chair behind 3 adult men who were screwing around (crossbar was up) and one of them dropped their pole onto the hill and then shoved the other guy who was laughing and I was just watching the chair shake, with them fooling around and it made me feel sick to my stomach.", ">\n\nProbably the pricetag skiing comes at cuts down on the stupid and reckless behaviours a bit", ">\n\nYou know, you’d like to think so, but from knowing rich people I’m afraid it doesn’t cut it down as much as you’d hope.", ">\n\nRich people are plenty stupid too, but much less so in the fuck-around-and-fall-of-a-ski-lift kinda way\nSource: WHO report showing that accidental injury rates are inversely-correlated to income", ">\n\nI agree. Seems like lots of people don’t like to bother with lowering the bar. \nI’m always afraid that a gust of wind pushing down on my board at the same time I’m a little off balance because of adjusting a glove or bumping over one of the tower transitions and I would be off.\nBut I’ve never actually seen or heard of anyone falling off in real life, and if it happened even rarely, they would probably force people to use the bar out of liability", ">\n\nThe ones on my local mountain don't even have a bar or restraining method. Just plunk yourself down and don't lean too far forward.", ">\n\nWe used to have a 2800 foot vertical lift at my home ski area that had no bars. 18 minute ride up. No bars because my father was chairman of the ski resort association when they built the lift. And bars on the chairs would have cost an extra $67.00 per chair.\nAt the highest point, crossing an indentation in the mountain, you were 300 feet up.\nNo one ever fell off, too my knowledge. Though a friend of mine jumped successfully (at a much lower point) one time when the lift stopped for a half hour. I stayed on. He was fine. Deep snow.", ">\n\nSeems like you dad prioritized a small amount of money over human lives.", ">\n\nI almost fell out once as a kid. Its was very high up, i looked down and it was pure white and i lost my sence of direction and just kept leaning forward. My dad grabbed me and i snapped out of it. \nMost of the time the problems are getting on and off but im also surprised its not more common", ">\n\nDo you have a fear of heights?", ">\n\nI’m a snowboard instructor, and our resort doesn’t have bars on the lift chairs. That being said, I’ve never seen or heard of anyone falling out of one in the years I’ve been around. I’ve never felt unsafe on our lifts even without bars. And small children ride them everyday without incident. \nI did go to another little resort once where I was slightly concerned, the chairs were a lot smaller and older with no bars, it was freezing rain so the seat of the chair was covered with ice, and it was windy. I’m sure it would have been a lot easier to slip off that day. But that was more the conditions than the actual lift itself", ">\n\nPeople fall off lifts all the time, they are just usually right near the top or bottom where it is low. Source-4 years of being a professional ski patroller seeing a lot of people fall off chairlifts.", ">\n\nI once ate shit getting off a lift on the first run of the day, and didn't have a glove on. My buddy's girlfriend came by and accidentally edged my bare hand with her snowboard. I didn't even get a run in, the medic team tied me to a sled and sent me down the hill and eventually to the hospital where I got like 12 stitches across 3 fingers. Good times!", ">\n\nThe way you say it makes it seem like they just sent you on your way hoping you'd find yourself at the bottom instead of around a tree lmao", ">\n\nI just had this thought last weekend while skiing with my kid", ">\n\nI know a guy that scared his friend in a chair lift freaking him out and falling off. He broke a leg or something. \nEver since then, whenever a group of friends want to go snowboarding he discourages everyone telling them how dangerous ski lifts are. \nIt sucks for me, because I always get snowboard season pass. Deep inside I'm mad at him for blaming ski lifts, instead of himself.", ">\n\ni’m a lift operator at a pretty busy ski resort in colorado. the amount of people that fall off at the beginning/end of the lift ride is astronomical", ">\n\nIn Aus it's pretty standard to lower the bar. You couldn't possibly fall with the bar lowered.\nIn north America I was surprised at how much everyone just ignores it. It's s way more comfortable to sit with the bar lowered because it's the perfect spot to put your arms. Made no sense to me.", ">\n\nIts the coolness factor. I always put it down. And luckily never had anyone car if i do lower it. \nIve been on sketch chairlifts around the world. I am more worried about a frayed wire killing me than falling out", ">\n\nI thought you meant one of those chairs that help disabled ppl up the stairs. 😆", ">\n\nWe hear you! We've taken extra safety measures to make sure that doesn't happen, but we appreciate the heads up - just in case!", ">\n\nare you the chairlift gods?", ">\n\nNah, they are fairly deep and slant somewhat towards the back. You’d really have to be trying to fall off of one. Falling while getting off of one is another story, though.", ">\n\nI first read that as just \"chairs\" lmao..I was gonna ask if you've ever been around children", ">\n\nTo be fair to chairlifts I think children sit better on them than regular chairs.", ">\n\nI should hope so.", ">\n\nThey do. But the Chair Lift Lobby immediately replaces them with perfect duplicates. Those few that \"get away\" are acceptable losses." ]