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> If she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters." ]
> This has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?" ]
> I know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama." ]
> Katie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever." ]
> 1000000 times yes!
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS." ]
> I think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her. Edit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!" ]
> From apnews... “Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience." ]
> A statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state." ]
> I felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days..." ]
> That’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee." ]
> I think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part." ]
> We desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. There is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president." ]
> This policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now." ]
> Katie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it." ]
> 😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein." ]
> As of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House." ]
> Average age. Yeah that is pathetic.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years." ]
> wow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic." ]
> If only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren" ]
> Katie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that." ]
> Maybe she will. Curious- why use the word never?
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe." ]
> Never in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. It's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. It's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. An explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience... Anyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?" ]
> Not surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching" ]
> I don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary." ]
> I will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho." ]
> a lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades." ]
> We can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy." ]
> And my axe
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!" ]
> Only .0056% though.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe" ]
> All those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though." ]
> If she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡" ]
> Senate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)" ]
> She is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there." ]
> why did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work" ]
> Warren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?" ]
> We need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha" ]
> How does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age." ]
> This is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?" ]
> Feinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter." ]
> Did I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway." ]
> An endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein" ]
> This bad-a squint pic of Senator Warren is making my day.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein", ">\n\nAn endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess." ]
> Native American voting block is very important in politics. Thankfully Porter was able to secure the voting block through Warren’s deep Native American heritage
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein", ">\n\nAn endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess.", ">\n\nThis bad-a squint pic of Senator Warren is making my day." ]
> No thanks on Porter. Let's get someone who will be nationally relevant like Feinstein was for decades.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein", ">\n\nAn endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess.", ">\n\nThis bad-a squint pic of Senator Warren is making my day.", ">\n\nNative American voting block is very important in politics. Thankfully Porter was able to secure the voting block through Warren’s deep Native American heritage" ]
> That is true. But there is question about her mental cognition. Retirement age of govt. employees is 65. This positions are of the highest levels of government employment.
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein", ">\n\nAn endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess.", ">\n\nThis bad-a squint pic of Senator Warren is making my day.", ">\n\nNative American voting block is very important in politics. Thankfully Porter was able to secure the voting block through Warren’s deep Native American heritage", ">\n\nNo thanks on Porter. Let's get someone who will be nationally relevant like Feinstein was for decades." ]
>
[ "This is huge. Not even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.", ">\n\n\nNot even waiting for Diane Feinstein to say she won't run for reelection.\n\nFeinstein hasn't left anybody a choice. People have tried as many polite, supportive and respectful ways as possible to say she needs to retire but at some point the party has to move on.\nWhat are they supposed to do, let her die in office?", ">\n\nGet her next of kin power of attorney and have them decide she's not running. It shouldn't be hard. Feinstein isn't cogent anymore.", ">\n\nWhat does power of attorney have to do with running or not running?", ">\n\nYou’re legally not competent enough to petition to run.", ">\n\nLegal competence isn’t a qualification for office.", ">\n\nIt quite literally takes away a person’s legal agency. They legally can’t decide legal matters.", ">\n\nJust pulling stuff out of our asses, are we?", ">\n\nElizabeth Warren is Katie Porter’s mentor and the namesake of her daughter. That said, to the White House with her", ">\n\nPorters mentality and process should be the standard for both parties.\nI'd have a ton more respect for a conservative bringing a whiteboard to discuss real numbers.\nThe \"floor charts\" they do now are childish bullshit with things like \"Taxasouraus Rex\" or \"deficit dragon\" \nWeird monster reptilian vibe BTW....", ">\n\nGood for her, Bernie should be next\nThat segment on The View yesterday was so fucking terrible, they already have their knives out for her", ">\n\nCorporate America will stop at NOTHING to keep Porter out of the Senate.", ">\n\nRegarding corporate greed and how much we need someone like Katie Porter. Sauce from Katie Porter, in case people need to see some proof.", ">\n\nShe's amazing. Senate 2024, White House 2028.", ">\n\nThe White House is the absolute last place for Porter for now. President is term limited and zero power to write laws or confirm appointments. This country needs people like Porter to serve in congress for decades as that is where they can do the most good.", ">\n\n8 years of a truly great president are worth them leaving other public offices. During that time she can reshape the party and support and mentor the future Katie Porters.", ">\n\nIf she becomes senator then immediately runs for president that seems more like power hungry than wanting to serve. Do you think a couple of years in the house and not even a full term in the senate is a good role model for the future Katie Porters out there?", ">\n\nThis has little to do with your previous statement or my reply, but 4 years in the Senate before becoming president while still in his prime is also exactly the timeline of President Obama.", ">\n\nI know. I also feel that Obama would have done more for the country if he had continued to serve in the US Senate. Most of the damage to this country over the past 20+ years has come from the US Senate. The battle being waged by republicans against democracy requires people who are going to stick around to fight. It takes time for someone to get good at legislating and develop tribal knowledge of how laws are made. We desperately need competent orators committed to justice, democracy, and moving this country forward in the US senate. Warren and Sanders are not going to be there forever.", ">\n\nKatie Porter for Senate. Then Katie Porter for POTUS.", ">\n\n1000000 times yes!", ">\n\nI think she will succeed. She may have a primary against Barbara Lee and Adam Schiff. But has Feinstein reacted to Porter’s announcement? I read that Porter has not discussed it with her.\nEdit: Thanks for the upvotes! I wanted to add that this is a shrewd move on her part, and shows her level of engagement and prescience.", ">\n\nFrom apnews...\n“Everyone is of course welcome to throw their hat in the ring, and I will make an announcement concerning my plans for 2024 at the appropriate time,” Feinstein, who won her sixth election in 2018 said in a statement Tuesday. She added that she is currently “focused on ensuring California has all the resources it needs” to deal with deadly storms hitting the state.", ">\n\nA statement her staff wrote for her because she barely even knows she's a Senator some days...", ">\n\nI felt sad and embarrassed for her during the ACB hearings. I don't think that she even knew that they were going on, even though she was on the judiciary committee.", ">\n\nThat’s how I felt about Trump when he was on Fox, out of his mind on Covid medication. Just without the sad part.", ">\n\nI think she has great argumentative skills that would benefit the country more if she was a senator or supreme court justice. We can always get a nice run of the mill democrat president to vote on bills, but we need Katie to turn the argument tides before a bill reaches the president.", ">\n\nWe desperately need someone with some face recognition running for president on the Democrats side. Or else we’re stuck with the likes of Kamala Harris and Buttigieg. \nThere is literally nobody on the Democrat side who can win elections for President right now.", ">\n\nThis policy wonk caucus. Love to see it.", ">\n\nKatie Porter is the best candidate to get legislation on paper that actually helps people. It's awesome to have Warren endorse her. Unfortunately, I'm thinking the democratic party will continue to push their young blood candidates like Diane Feinstein.", ">\n\n😂 With QE2 passing the torch at long last I'm hopeful our government officials will do the same as it is well past time for a generational shift. Honestly it's time for Gen X to pass the torch to Millennials but first Gen x has to acquire the leadership roles. Finally it's happening in the House.", ">\n\nAs of Tuesday, the average age in the Senate is 63.9 years. In the House, it’s 57.5 years.", ">\n\nAverage age. Yeah that is pathetic.", ">\n\nwow thats a pretty intense pic of Warren", ">\n\nIf only men would allow women to lead: we would have Liz and Katie as President and VP. The world may just be a better place for that.", ">\n\nKatie would have never been VP. Cabinet maybe.", ">\n\nMaybe she will.\nCurious- why use the word never?", ">\n\nNever in past tense. It's a weird sentence structure, with vacillating tenses. At the time she had about a year of experience in office. Not nearly enough for her to be of use or fit at that time. Also, presidents typically use VPs to fill a gap in their own resume/identity or even ideology: Biden-Harris; Obama-Biden; Mccain-Palin - even Trump-Pence. \nIt's why it isn't likely - they are too alike and appeal to the same demographic and do not balance each other out except for age. \nIt's also why Bernie-Warren was never viable even if they wanted it. \nAn explicitly progressive candidate will most likely (feel like they) need to balance the ticket with a moderate. Also, most progressive candidates focus primarily on domestic issues, and so they might feel like they need to have someone with foreign policy experience...\nAnyways, for a number of reasons, it's extremely unlikely to have both on the same ticket. You need contrast, not matching", ">\n\nNot surprise since Warren was her professor at Harvard. If Schiff decides to run, it will be hard for me to pick between him or Porter in the primary.", ">\n\nI don’t envy you at all. It will be a phenomenal race tho.", ">\n\nI will be voting for Porter. The problem is how do I convince my family and friends who are casual voters to vote for Porter. A ton of casual Democratic voters will still vote for Feinstein because she has a D next to her name and she's a household name and has been on the ballot for decades.", ">\n\na lot of good progressives to choose from and Porter would be at near the top of the list. As long as Diane is gone and Schiff is kicked to the curb then I'm happy.", ">\n\nWe can do this; canvass, contribute, support, volunteer, and donate!", ">\n\nAnd my axe", ">\n\nOnly .0056% though.", ">\n\nAll those people bitching about bernie being to old to run for president but support 90 y/o Feinstein 🤡🤡🤡", ">\n\nIf she is already in the House, why would she want to be in the Senate? (Canadian here, not always understanding the nuances of the US political system)", ">\n\nSenate is far more prestigious and a better launching pad for higher office. Additionally, her House district was redrawn so she’s not likely to win more elections there.", ">\n\nShe is very visible and engaging. Even I know her whiteboard work", ">\n\nwhy did they choose a low angle top down light photo of Warren? What lousy journalism. Are they trying to make her come off like Thanos?", ">\n\nWarren. The “Native American” who lost her own state in the Democrat Presidential Primary hahaha", ">\n\nWe need a Children of the Corn situation for politicians who reach a certain age.", ">\n\nHow does a corpse of Feinstein still have any support?", ">\n\nThis is pretty awesome. Good to see this progress for Katie Porter.", ">\n\nFeinstein is 89. Play your cards right and she will endorse Porter while still running again. Not like she knows what the hell is going on anymore anyway.", ">\n\nDid I hear right that Great-Grandpa Grassley endorsed Diane Frankenstein", ">\n\nAn endorsement from a Republican? Better than nothing I guess.", ">\n\nThis bad-a squint pic of Senator Warren is making my day.", ">\n\nNative American voting block is very important in politics. Thankfully Porter was able to secure the voting block through Warren’s deep Native American heritage", ">\n\nNo thanks on Porter. Let's get someone who will be nationally relevant like Feinstein was for decades.", ">\n\nThat is true. But there is question about her mental cognition. Retirement age of govt. employees is 65. This positions are of the highest levels of government employment." ]
The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.
[]
> And refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals." ]
> Yeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional." ]
> Exactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me. With this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because "my religion tells me not to" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit." ]
> If I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job." ]
> Theyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of. They're supposed to just say "I'll get someone else to help you" But what a lot of them was doing was saying "CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave". Two very, very different things.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS" ]
> “I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things." ]
> Which is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry." ]
> And that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional." ]
> Except those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. I, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more." ]
> A nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. Period
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts." ]
> Imagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod" ]
> The courts would tell you to get fucked.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people." ]
> As they should. If it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked." ]
> If you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. Imagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. These are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere." ]
> pretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job." ]
> Yep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade." ]
> That's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours." ]
> Actual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. There are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!" ]
> Pretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff." ]
> I mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination." ]
> Speaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” The waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. This Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. Then the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. They manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. She showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. Then after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. Needless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. Hooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won." ]
> I just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. "Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page."
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol" ]
> Never underestimate the stupidity of managers.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"" ]
> I've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers." ]
> “They shouldn’t take that job, then.” “So, like the lady in the pharmacy?” “No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically." ]
> Personally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text. There is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? The whole thing is nonsensical.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”" ]
> There’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical." ]
> But an NP is supposed to know better than that.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients." ]
> Gosh, I have some startling news for you….. Edit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views. Most nurses are fantastic and valued people.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that." ]
> Some startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. This is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. NP should lose her license. End of story.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people." ]
> Reddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story." ]
> There are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals." ]
> And they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. Besides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field." ]
> If you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs." ]
> Unless she took the job specifically to start a fight.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her." ]
> Step 1: Take job that you know will violate your "religious beliefs" Step 2: Refuse to do job and get fired Step 3: Sue job for wrongful termination Step 4: Profit!
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight." ]
> My friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a "disease". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!" ]
> I never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years." ]
> This is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way. Which from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?" ]
> Also the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us." ]
> I rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so" ]
> Weird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero." ]
> Which religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked." ]
> Meow-rmon (That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self" ]
> Tell me more man!
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)" ]
> We spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap. We set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming. And if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!" ]
> Fuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor." ]
> I mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job." ]
> Fortunately she practices nursing, not medicine, so no cognitive dissonance
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason" ]
> This shit is getting out of hand. Being a member of a religion does not entitle you do or not do whatever you want.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason", ">\n\nFortunately she practices nursing, not medicine, so no cognitive dissonance" ]
> You obviously haven't met many fundamentalist evangelicals.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason", ">\n\nFortunately she practices nursing, not medicine, so no cognitive dissonance", ">\n\nThis shit is getting out of hand. Being a member of a religion does not entitle you do or not do whatever you want." ]
> This is not a fundamentalist problem. Until Christians who don’t considering themselves fundamentalist start standing up against this shit, they’re all in the same camp and are all part of the problem.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason", ">\n\nFortunately she practices nursing, not medicine, so no cognitive dissonance", ">\n\nThis shit is getting out of hand. Being a member of a religion does not entitle you do or not do whatever you want.", ">\n\nYou obviously haven't met many fundamentalist evangelicals." ]
> Ex-Employee Control Freak Using Religion To Disguise Their Bullying Sues CVS. That's the real headline.
[ "The patients don't come in looking for a spiritual advisor. They want healthcare professionals.", ">\n\nAnd refusing to fill a valid prescription is completely unprofessional.", ">\n\nYeah you can ask for reasonable accommodations for your religious beliefs in the workplace, but if it means you're unable to do your job entirely good luck with the lawsuit.", ">\n\nExactly. To give a personal example, I'm Jewish and observe Shabbat and various holidays. During this time, I won't do any work. However, for my job, I'm supposed to be on call 24/7. So I've worked out a system where I turn over my on call duties to someone else for this time and switch them back after Shabbat/the holiday ends. If this is during working days, I use my PTO to take the day off. My employer knows this and has worked to accommodate me.\nWith this accommodation, I can still do my job while observing my religion. But refusing to do a basic job duty because \"my religion tells me not to\" doesn't call for accommodations. It means you should probably get another job.", ">\n\nIf I were a patient and a CVS nurse refused to give me birth control, I would sue CVS", ">\n\nTheyre going to lose if it's one of the ones I'm thinking of.\nThey're supposed to just say \"I'll get someone else to help you\"\nBut what a lot of them was doing was saying \"CVS won't/can't fill that, you need to leave\".\nTwo very, very different things.", ">\n\n“I can’t do that, it’s against my religion” vs “You can’t do that, it’s against my religion”. Pretty cut and dry.", ">\n\nWhich is exactly what's wrong with religious fanatics. Narcissistic and delusional.", ">\n\nAnd that is one reason why younger generations are turning away from religion more and more.", ">\n\nExcept those that seem to have it seem to be more zealous. My wife has several young nurses that came out of the woodwork as anti-vax/allTheDamnThings since covid started. \nI, unfortunately, don't think this is a problem that will ever go away, we'll just see face-lifts.", ">\n\nA nurse that refuses to give vaccinations should be fired. \nPeriod", ">\n\nImagine working in a grocery store and refusing to sell non halal meat to people.", ">\n\nThe courts would tell you to get fucked.", ">\n\nAs they should.\nIf it's against your religion, feel free to work elsewhere.", ">\n\nIf you can’t do your job because of your religious beliefs you shouldn’t be doing the job. \nImagine a Jehovas Witness Phlebotomist who just refuses to draw blood. Or a Muslim cashier who refuses to sell pork. \nThese are choices that people make which make them unable to fulfil the duties of the job. If your religion doesn’t permit you to prescribe legal and necessary medications, find another job.", ">\n\npretty sure the Muslim cashier one has been in the news a couple times over the past decade.", ">\n\nYep, Costco got sued, not because they fired the cashier but because they moved him to shopping cart duty. They guy lost though because they didn't reduce his pay or hours.", ">\n\nThat's almost a textbook case of religious accommodation. And the guy still sues!", ">\n\nActual real life lawyer here. Unfortunately that's the problem with the legal landscape and the overly litigious nature of this country. I wouldn't be shocked if it was the guy's intention the entire time, get the job then request religious exemptions, only to then sue and hope the company just settles instead of actually fighting it. \nThere are too many cases where businesses just bend over backwards to accommodate people or try to avoid any amount of bad press or expense in fighting a frivolous complaint they just settle them out even if they would easily win the case on the merits. The overly cautious nature of companies is only empowering these jackasses to do this stuff.", ">\n\nPretty sure there is a King of the Hill episode where Dale deliberately tries to this same thing but with a Hooters and gender discrimination.", ">\n\nI mean Hooters DID get sued for gender discrimination in the past, but ultimately they won.", ">\n\nSpeaking of Hooters being sued.. it reminded me of that story where a Hooters waitress sued the company because they ran a contest for the waitresses to win a new “Toyota.” \nThe waitress that sold the most appetizers and beer (and other upselling items) in a 1 month period would win a new Toyota. \nThis Hooters girl absolutely busted her azz to win this contest. Working extra shifts and overtime and working like crazy to get her customers to spend more money so she could win. \nThen the day came to officially announce the winner. She won!! She was crying tears of joy. This was a life changing thing for her. \nThey manager told her to come the next day at so and so time for the photo shoot and accept her prize. \nShe showed up excited AF. A bunch of people were there anxiously awaiting the unveiling of her prize. \nThen after a bunch of hype, the manager unveils her “new toy yoda” doll. Everybody laughed at her and the super clever joke. \nNeedless to say she was p!ssed TF off and hired a lawyer and sued Hooters. \nHooters ended up settling out of court for an undisclosed amount. When the media asked the lawyer how much money she got, he simply responded “let’s just say she can buy any Toyota she wants now..” Lol", ">\n\nI just wonder how nobody thought that would be received poorly. \n\"Trust me, bro. She won't care about working her fingers to the bone for nothing when she sees this cute pun I stole from my mother in law's Facebook page.\"", ">\n\nNever underestimate the stupidity of managers.", ">\n\nI've asked Christians who support this how they'd feel about a vegan getting a job in a restaurant or supermarket and then refusing to sell meat, and framing it in religious terms. Or a Hindu, with beef specifically. I've found that they don't support this freedom of conscience or religion in a general sense, just with those things that are hobby-horses of conservative Christians specifically.", ">\n\n“They shouldn’t take that job, then.”\n“So, like the lady in the pharmacy?”\n“No, that’s different! She’s trying to help people!”", ">\n\nPersonally, they should have to prove it even violates their religious beliefs. Birth control is used for a lot of women to avoid getting cancer because they don’t have regular periods. The Bible is both for and against almost everything and has been mistranslated constantly from its original text.\nThere is no mention of modern birth control in the Bible. In fact, I think the most commonly referred to pieces of evidence people use to say it opposes birth control are in Genesis. So… we are following the Old Testament rules? \nThe whole thing is nonsensical.", ">\n\nThere’s also the erroneous belief that contraceptives are abortifacients.", ">\n\nBut an NP is supposed to know better than that.", ">\n\nGosh, I have some startling news for you…..\nEdit: just so we’re clear, I’m criticising that particular NP who was pushing their own particular political views.\nMost nurses are fantastic and valued people.", ">\n\nSome startling news for you: I work with NPs. I know how they’re trained. And I can absolutely promise you this is covered in their education. \nThis is another example of someone choosing their belief over actual science. \nNP should lose her license. End of story.", ">\n\nReddit likes to shit on nurses, but you can find examples of dumbasses in any medical job. When I worked in pharmacy, nurses were often the ones fighting for their patients, particularly in hospitals.", ">\n\nThere are MDs that do this shit all the time too, MDs that don't believe in evolution, MDs that wouldn't take as much out in a breast reduction because they personally think they know better than the patient on how big they want their breasts, etc etc. There are dumb people in every single job and in every field.", ">\n\nAnd they should lose their license too. It’s not that Reddit is hard on nurses or doctors, it’s the nature of the job. Like police, if you fuck up people can die. Lives are literally on the line for nurses and doctors, as well as quality of life and a million other things. The job is too important to not do it well or correctly. \nBesides it’s common sense. If your job interferes with your beliefs you should be doing that job, or change your beliefs.", ">\n\nIf you're not going to do the job then don'twork there. CVS is pretty blatant with what they prescribe; that NP knew it going in and she still took the job. This is on her.", ">\n\nUnless she took the job specifically to start a fight.", ">\n\nStep 1: Take job that you know will violate your \"religious beliefs\"\nStep 2: Refuse to do job and get fired\nStep 3: Sue job for wrongful termination \nStep 4: Profit!", ">\n\nMy friend had a sales rep at his last company that did something similar. He was an alcoholic. Basically, he would be piss drunk by 12 everyday and show up for calls with customers hammered. He would get warnings within a few months, then laid off, then sue for wrongful termination because he has a \"disease\". I'm by no means shaming a legitimate condition, but the dude wasn't trying to get help and had done this 5+ times in 10 years.", ">\n\nI never understand what peoples' religious beliefs have to do with other people. Like, you don't believe in birth control, good for you; but other people do. It's not like you're taking the medication so what's it to you if someone else wants it?", ">\n\nThis is the exact reason why so many Christians I know have this fear of atheists. They assume that because they are very forceful about shoving their beliefs on others that atheists are going to try to force atheism on them in the same way.\nWhich from my experience as an atheist and most atheists I know, we don't care what you believe in as long as you don't try to push it on us.", ">\n\nAlso the fact that they believe Atheists have no moral compass without God. “What’s to stop you from committing murder or rape without religion to tell you not to?” Idk I just think those are fucked up things to do. Don’t need a sky daddy to tell me so", ">\n\nI rape the exact number of people that I want. And that number is zero.", ">\n\nWeird, my religion requires an hour break for every 5 minutes worked.", ">\n\nWhich religion? I’m suddenly feeling it is time to connect with my spiritual self", ">\n\nMeow-rmon\n(That's the best cat pun religion I can come up with.)", ">\n\nTell me more man!", ">\n\nWe spend 5 minutes working, then take an hour nap.\nWe set alarm for our daily 3:30 AM prayer, which is really just loud, incoherent screaming.\nAnd if anyone touches your belly, you must scratch the shit out of the aggressor.", ">\n\nFuck this nurse. If you can't do your job without your personal beliefs getting in the way, you should NOT have that job.", ">\n\nI mean, isn’t medicine in general going against her beliefs maybe? Isn’t she meddling in gods will, and god’s letting her do it…for some reason", ">\n\nFortunately she practices nursing, not medicine, so no cognitive dissonance", ">\n\nThis shit is getting out of hand. Being a member of a religion does not entitle you do or not do whatever you want.", ">\n\nYou obviously haven't met many fundamentalist evangelicals.", ">\n\nThis is not a fundamentalist problem. Until Christians who don’t considering themselves fundamentalist start standing up against this shit, they’re all in the same camp and are all part of the problem." ]