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[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air.", ">\n\nWars are expensive, especially if you're arming your opponent." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air.", ">\n\nWars are expensive, especially if you're arming your opponent.", ">\n\nThis what happens when you start a war you can't afford." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air.", ">\n\nWars are expensive, especially if you're arming your opponent.", ">\n\nThis what happens when you start a war you can't afford.", ">\n\nNow, lets see if we can get this to 150Bil deficit. All we need is better sanctions (laugh) and some hacking on Russias Banking and financial institutions. Hey, if they can do it so can we." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air.", ">\n\nWars are expensive, especially if you're arming your opponent.", ">\n\nThis what happens when you start a war you can't afford.", ">\n\nNow, lets see if we can get this to 150Bil deficit. All we need is better sanctions (laugh) and some hacking on Russias Banking and financial institutions. Hey, if they can do it so can we.", ">\n\nThat’s it? Talk to the US to get good at wasting money and improving your deficit." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?", ">\n\nOh sure- that’s easy: Putin is a bad guy. \nBut any narrative that celebrates the suffering, denigration, or downfall of an entire nation of people, simply because they are victims of the same regime that one can and should rightfully demonize, while at the same time ignoring the identical, systemic failures in one’s current country- represents the most appalling, abhorrent and ignorant form of nationalism, and should be confronted with honesty everytime it rears its ugly head.", ">\n\nWe’ll I was hoping you’d give your take on Putin in the 90’s specifically and how the fall of the USSR and Chechnya played a huge role in his rise to power. This is not me celebrating the downfall of a nation, it’s government or it’s people. Hell, even looking at the US now, I’m sure we’re gonna be talking about this period in American history in a few years.", ">\n\nAgree with you in all counts. My comment is directed at the nationalistic thematic narrative of the article, all those like it, and the manipulated commenters happily cheering the narrative on, at the demise of “those people” and “the enemy”. It’s as dark as it is foolish.", ">\n\nPft. America has got you beat. Try $418 billion.", ">\n\nWe also have our GDP that’s currently worth more than 13 times larger than Russia’s.", ">\n\nSo cute how NYT felt it was worthy to post a story about fictional numbers.", ">\n\nThey've got a long way to go to catch up with U.S.", ">\n\nHave their cash reserves run out yet?", ">\n\nThe economy of Russia will suffer, but it will not collapse in the near future. Russian standard of living will decline slowly. It will take years before that makes an impact on the way they make decisions. It will be presented to them as something inevitable. But yes, it will have an impact. Russia will never recover from this. They will fall back too much. It will be on a \"sub-saharan economy\" within ten years.\nMy advice to Russians, leave. Better now then later.", ">\n\nThe Republican Party takes its disinformation techniques from the Russians. They both try to crush your spirit with their words. Here’s the part the Russian government believes will make everyone think it is owning the libs. \n“Making no specific reference to the war, Mr. Silanov, the finance minister, said: “Despite the geopolitical situation, the restrictions and sanctions, we have fulfilled all our planned goals.”\nWhy not just say, “Ha! We survived!” \nBecause then no one would know how smart they think they are.", ">\n\nWho the hell is buying Russian bonds?", ">\n\nIt's not true. Who believes Russians? Numbers are from thin air.", ">\n\nWars are expensive, especially if you're arming your opponent.", ">\n\nThis what happens when you start a war you can't afford.", ">\n\nNow, lets see if we can get this to 150Bil deficit. All we need is better sanctions (laugh) and some hacking on Russias Banking and financial institutions. Hey, if they can do it so can we.", ">\n\nThat’s it? Talk to the US to get good at wasting money and improving your deficit.", ">\n\nThose are rookie numbers in this racket! Putler needs to beat Muskrats speedrun! Let the games begin." ]

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[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)" ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in.", ">\n\n\"Formality\"?\n\"Why should people spend on others when it's their special day and act all happy about it? \"\nWho is saying anyone should ? It's something people choose to do because they want to." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in.", ">\n\n\"Formality\"?\n\"Why should people spend on others when it's their special day and act all happy about it? \"\nWho is saying anyone should ? It's something people choose to do because they want to.", ">\n\nSome people don't really care about birthdays, it's just another day to them" ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in.", ">\n\n\"Formality\"?\n\"Why should people spend on others when it's their special day and act all happy about it? \"\nWho is saying anyone should ? It's something people choose to do because they want to.", ">\n\nSome people don't really care about birthdays, it's just another day to them", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? Is this some new dumb thing? I’ve never seen or heard someone treating others on their birthday, it’s always been that person’s day and you do things for them." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in.", ">\n\n\"Formality\"?\n\"Why should people spend on others when it's their special day and act all happy about it? \"\nWho is saying anyone should ? It's something people choose to do because they want to.", ">\n\nSome people don't really care about birthdays, it's just another day to them", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? Is this some new dumb thing? I’ve never seen or heard someone treating others on their birthday, it’s always been that person’s day and you do things for them.", ">\n\nThat's a thing? I've never heard of it." ]

[ "Some people are generous and selfless. Friendship honestly may be enough of a gift for them. They also just might want to thank the person for their support throughout the years.", ">\n\nYou treat others because you want to share the \"joy\" of it being your birthday. It's normal for other occassions too.", ">\n\nAlternatively, others should treat you to help you deal with the misery of it being your birthday.", ">\n\nI treat others on my birthday because it makes them feel happy. I don't do any of this \"special day\" bullshit and I'd quite happily spend it on my own at the movies but these people in my life enjoy spending my birthday with me so I'm happy to play along if they end up having a good time.", ">\n\nThe only reason I can think of is that it means everyone takes a turn or misses out on birthday celebrations. It's too easy for people to not turn up or not contribute when it's for someone else.", ">\n\nOne of my coworkers is Greek Orthodox and he told me that he celebrates “name day” (the feast day of the Saint he’s named after) rather than his birthday, and the custom is to treat others on that day. (I’ve never heard of people doing this outside of this though)", ">\n\nI dont do this with friends, but at work we do a thing where whenever it's your birthday you bring in food for everyone (so similar idea). I thought it was the weirdest thing until I realized I would much rather bring stuff in once a year than a little something every single time someone had a birthday, which is often, so it makes things more organized.\nI wouldnt do that with friends though as that's not a generalized as simply bringing a box of pastries or something.", ">\n\nI mean, if you invite all of your friends to buy you gifts and organize you a birthday, I doubt many people would pitch in.", ">\n\n\"Formality\"?\n\"Why should people spend on others when it's their special day and act all happy about it? \"\nWho is saying anyone should ? It's something people choose to do because they want to.", ">\n\nSome people don't really care about birthdays, it's just another day to them", ">\n\nWhat the fuck are you talking about? Is this some new dumb thing? I’ve never seen or heard someone treating others on their birthday, it’s always been that person’s day and you do things for them.", ">\n\nThat's a thing? I've never heard of it.", ">\n\nSharing is caring was made by the most selfless person or the most selfish person" ]

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[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive.", ">\n\nHoly shit. I'm so old...." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive.", ">\n\nHoly shit. I'm so old....", ">\n\nAwe man, that's awful, sorry to hear that.\nRIP, shes with her baby now. 💙" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive.", ">\n\nHoly shit. I'm so old....", ">\n\nAwe man, that's awful, sorry to hear that.\nRIP, shes with her baby now. 💙", ">\n\nNot going to lie...I thought she died a while ago. RIP." ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive.", ">\n\nHoly shit. I'm so old....", ">\n\nAwe man, that's awful, sorry to hear that.\nRIP, shes with her baby now. 💙", ">\n\nNot going to lie...I thought she died a while ago. RIP.", ">\n\nI mistakingly thought Priscilla was dead. She is still alive. And that really sucks having your daughter pass before you. Oofff" ]

[ "While I was reading about her passing I also read that Elvis left everything to her, her grandad and Godmother? (I forget) But they passed in 79, 80. Making Lisa the sole heir to Elvis's estate. This chick was crazy wealthy. I never knew that. I thought maybe Priscilla had some, whoever else etc. Nope. All Lisa.", ">\n\nWhile she probably was extremely wealthy, her and her mother were also in Scientology for decades, so who knows how much of it they sucked out of her. A popular story which gets repeated is that they tried to get Elvis roped into the cult towards the end of his life, but he immediately stormed off claiming “these motherfuckers only want my money”.", ">\n\nWhat I read was that when she inherited the estate it was estimated to be worth $100 million. Not that long ago, though, she reportedly squandered it all and was living with her mother for a time.", ">\n\nHer and her mother sold off the majority of their controlling interest in the estate several years ago, so she was probably subsiding off whatever revenue it was bringing in. Sad to say that while Elvis was a cultural icon in his day, much of his fanbase at this point is dead or dying, so I’m guessing he probably doesn’t bring in anywhere close to what he was 25 or 30 years ago.", ">\n\nYou kind of realize how much of his fan base is gone when we stop getting “headlines” about Elvis sightings. \nI do feel sorry for Priscilla, though. She’s buried her grandchild and now a daughter. :(", ">\n\nTMZ reported earlier that Danny Keough (her ex husband), they apparently had been living together for a while, got home from taking the kids to school and performed CPR until paramedics arrived. Glad the kids weren't there to see their mother like that.", ">\n\nBBC reported that she is survived by her daughter roxy. \nroxy keough is a porn star. her real daughters name is riley\nedit. spelling", ">\n\nShe has 4 children .. Harper Vivienne Ann Lockwood and Finley Aaron Love Lockwood being the youngest at 14. She has 2 children with Danny.", ">\n\nOne of her children committed suicide in 2020.", ">\n\nThe son.", ">\n\nIncredibly sad that her, her former husband, and her father all died incredibly young of very similar causes. RIP.", ">\n\nMichael was killed by that shitty doctor", ">\n\nCardiac arrest due to drugs, primarily propofol administered by his doctor. We don't know for sure why Lisa died but she has struggled with addiction and her father had the same fate as her ex husband. Very sad", ">\n\nI mean... Conrad Murray was convicted for that. Elvis and Lisa Marie had problems of their own but Jackson was, as far as the American justice system is concerned, a victim of homicide.", ">\n\nIt was a drug related homicide though, that's all I'm saying.", ">\n\nShe was just at the Golden Globes the other night. Shocking how sudden this was.", ">\n\nYeah but she did not look well or sound well.", ">\n\nSeriously.. I was like \"oh nooo what happened!?\" When I saw her getting interviewed", ">\n\nOh man. I remember when Elvis died. And now Lisa Marie.", ">\n\nHeartbreaking. Far too young, just like her father.", ">\n\nSo sad,she is now at peace with her father and son.RIP Lisa Marie", ">\n\nWasn’t she just at the golden globes two nights ago? 😳", ">\n\nI keep forgetting that Priscilla Presley is still out there.", ">\n\nYep, and I hear she's got a nice beaver.", ">\n\nHere’s a lovely video of a Lisa Marie and Elvis duet. \nI feel terrible for Priscilla and Lisa Marie’s children. Lisa Marie’s son passed about three years ago as well.", ">\n\nComments are turned off for the video, because that's cringey AF", ">\n\nRight after Elvis' birthday too (Jan 8). RIP🙏", ">\n\nPoor Lisa. Famous before she was born and never asked for any of this. May she Rest In Peace", ">\n\nMAGAs blaming vaccines in 3, 2…", ">\n\nHow about COVID in general? \nI’ve been having heart issues for the past two years after I caught that shit-ass virus in the spring/summer of 2020— pre-vaccines.\nIt’s no secret that heart attacks have risen dramatically across all age groups since the pandemic kicked off. My dad had a heart attack just this past summer, luckily he’s still here.", ">\n\nI'm not a Dr, but I'm just a person that has had POTS ( Postural Orthastatic Tachycardia Syndrome) for many years. I've heard that covid can actually cause POTS for many people. It's a lot of heart related symptoms (and many more).\nLook it up, and see if it might match your symptoms. In case you're suffering and haven't found a cause just yet, wanted to give you something to start with that might help you find that answer. \nHope you get well soon someday!", ">\n\nThank you for the kind reply.\nEarly on, I had POTS-like symptoms terribly. My heart rate would shoot up to 120+ bpm just standing up and walking around. My resting heart rate would only go down into the 90 bpm range.\nLately my resting heart is down into the 70s and walking in the 90s and low 100s. Also, I haven’t had a palpitation episode since June so hopefully things are looking up!\nThank you 😊", ">\n\nSounds like they have a genetic disposition for cardiac events.", ">\n\nMost social media posts are filled with comments immediately blaming vaccines...how quickly people forget that her dad died of the very same thing at 42 years of age.", ">\n\nProbably better to point to Elvis’ mom’s death. Elvis had LOTS of extenuating circumstances (tons of drug use, and literally 30 pounds of shit from constipation from said drugs)\nBut definitely the Presley’s don’t have great heart genetics", ">\n\nHis mother was an alcoholic too, so don’t forget about that.", ">\n\nElvis’ mother was not an alcoholic. Where did that come from? The scenes in the Luhrmann movie where she’s boozing it up? \nThe Peter Guralnick biography makes pretty clear she was just your average social drinker with an occasional beer, but that freaked Elvis out.", ">\n\nGladys died of a heart attack brought on by hepatitis from alcoholism, so most definitely more than just a social drinker with the occasional beer. This was widely reported pre-Luhrmann film.", ">\n\nsuch a weird thing that my grandma remembered when Elvis died, and here I am down the generational line reading about Lisa's death. Heartbreaking loss and I hope her kids will be ok", ">\n\nI remember when Elvis died. I was 14 and remember thinking he had lived a long life and was old. I have now outlived him by 17 years and I don’t fee (that) old.", ">\n\nR.I.P. Lisa Marie Presley. She was young. I didn't realize Elvis was only 42 years old when he died. He was young too.", ">\n\nOnly a year older than I am currently. Damn.", ">\n\nWasn't she married to Michael Jackson? Rip", ">\n\nAnd Nicolas Cage", ">\n\nSupposedly Cage literally only married her because he has an extreme Elvis fetish and knew it was the only way he was getting up to see the second floor at Graceland which has been closed off to everyone but cleaning staff and family and is supposedly untouched since the day Elvis died up there.", ">\n\nMakes sense considering Nic Cage's last three wives have been serving a different fetish.", ">\n\nI’m hope their family is healing through all this. I lost my father to cancer in May, and my uncle just died 2 days ago due to an accident at work", ">\n\nI’m sorry for your loss. I just lost my dad 5 days ago and it’s excruciating.", ">\n\nI’m so sorry for your loss, please be gentle with yourself in this period of mourning", ">\n\nI presume that there is some kind of cardiac related genetic component at play here", ">\n\nOmg. I just read that she had a heart attack earlier. So very tragic.", ">\n\n\nIn September, Presley wrote an essay for National Grief Awareness Day, in which she opened up about the loss of her son.\nMy and my three daughters' lives as we knew it were completely detonated and destroyed by his death. We live in this every. Single. Day,\" she wrote. \"Grief is something you will have to carry with you for the rest of your life, in spite of what certain people or our culture wants us to believe. You do not 'get over it,' you do not 'move on,' period.\"\n\nThats hard. I lost my Dad recently and was completely ambushed by grief and mourning, it really is a son of a bitch. RIP Lisa", ">\n\nVery sad. She probably had a preexisting condition. I bet the grief at the loss of her son didn't help.", ">\n\nHer father died at 42. I realize he didn't lead a healthy lifestyle, but there's almost certainly a genetic component at work here.", ">\n\nElvis’ Mom was also only 46 at time of death. I’m sure her heavy drinking didn’t help but apparently she also had some sort of congenital heart issue.", ">\n\nWow, that is still so young. She, her father, and her former husband all had an early end.", ">\n\nAnd her son!", ">\n\nAs predicted, r/conspiracy are straight on the vaccine crap already. \nI check occasionally when someone well known dies of a medical issue, especially a heart issue and yup. They're all schizoposting everytime. Apparently ignoring her grandmother's death and Literally Elvis himself plus a history of drugs, her age and it being one of the most common ways to die in America I mean, come on AntiVaxxers\nNonetheless RIP to her and condolences to those who are close to her", ">\n\nDamn. She was just at the Golden Globes with her mom. Fate is a fickle mistress.", ">\n\nThat’s unfortunate, but not surprising given her age and the reality of cardiac arrest outside of a hospital.", ">\n\nCould it have been drug related? She’s looked pretty bad the last year or so.", ">\n\nWho would have guessed that OJ would be the last living member of the big 4 stars of the naked gun movies.", ">\n\nThat’s her mom Priscilla. She is still alive.", ">\n\nHoly shit. I'm so old....", ">\n\nAwe man, that's awful, sorry to hear that.\nRIP, shes with her baby now. 💙", ">\n\nNot going to lie...I thought she died a while ago. RIP.", ">\n\nI mistakingly thought Priscilla was dead. She is still alive. And that really sucks having your daughter pass before you. Oofff", ">\n\nHusband, grandson, and then daughter\nCilla's had it rough. Poor woman." ]