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[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?" ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord" ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…" ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol" ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay.", ">\n\nkevin and m.t. are using him and there is no ethics committee now. He is the perfect pawn." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay.", ">\n\nkevin and m.t. are using him and there is no ethics committee now. He is the perfect pawn.", ">\n\nWhy would he, most republicans have the same back lash. If he’s re-elected than we only have our idiotic society to blame." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay.", ">\n\nkevin and m.t. are using him and there is no ethics committee now. He is the perfect pawn.", ">\n\nWhy would he, most republicans have the same back lash. If he’s re-elected than we only have our idiotic society to blame.", ">\n\nEvery time I think he's the most Republican politician ever, he gets even more Republican. Lying to voters, supporters, and party members. Scamming donors. Finance shenanigans. Legal troubles. Now refusing to resign or admit any culpability. Perfect GOP politician." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay.", ">\n\nkevin and m.t. are using him and there is no ethics committee now. He is the perfect pawn.", ">\n\nWhy would he, most republicans have the same back lash. If he’s re-elected than we only have our idiotic society to blame.", ">\n\nEvery time I think he's the most Republican politician ever, he gets even more Republican. Lying to voters, supporters, and party members. Scamming donors. Finance shenanigans. Legal troubles. Now refusing to resign or admit any culpability. Perfect GOP politician.", ">\n\nAll of Santo's shit was public and researched by a local paper, nobody cared, democrats didn't come out and vote. Too late to complain about a guy lying on his resume." ]

[ "And give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nAnd give up that sweet paycheck and free healthcare from the us taxpayers, no way.", ">\n\nThat and the fact that McCarthy won’t let it happen. He’s got a razor thin majority and needs every single vote. He owns this guy right now, plus if Santos resigned McCarthy would be down a seat until it was filled.", ">\n\nOh my god. Was this the reason?? Did they keep this man on just to fuck the house votes?", ">\n\n\n“I was elected to serve the people of #NY03 …..”\n\nNo, you weren’t elected, the fraudulent character you sold the voters was elected.", ">\n\nActually, that's a very interesting idea...\nCan we find the person that best matches the claims he made and install them in his place?", ">\n\nPower structure full of goobers just like him on his side.", ">\n\n. . . . unflinching American exceptionalism", ">\n\nShocking /s \nWhen's the last time a Republican cared about political pressure? They know that there are zero consequences for them - they can just lie to their base and get their cheerleaders on the right to defend them by talking about how the Dems are equally bad.", ">\n\nIn fact the more the pressure be applied, there more GOP would try to shield him, just to prove the rest that they are untouchables, and should not be messed with.\nSometimes i just want to off myself, seeing the absolute idiotic circus that this society is, with all of us becoming the unwilling/willing clowns in the show.", ">\n\nIf dude resigns he's probably headed to a Brazilian prison.", ">\n\nHopefully that outcome will be waiting for him after his term is up.", ">\n\nHopefully he doesn't hold that seat that long. I feel bad for the people of his district. They may have voted for a shit bag, but not one like this.", ">\n\nIf anyone else lied like that on their resume and the company found out, they'd be ousted in a second.", ">\n\nAll you need on your resume to become a republican is at least 1 yr experience in gifting and the ability to lie even when the truth is right in front of your face. Looks like he was prime candidate for the GOP", ">\n\nCan we extradite a sitting member of Congress?\nFFS GOP this should never have been a question.", ">\n\nMeanwhile something something illegal immigrants, we need a wall because they take our jobs.... see the irony?", ">\n\n2016 taught me a real conman rides it out to the end, even if he wins election", ">\n\nMan, say what you will but this guy has some serious chutzpah.", ">\n\nWell he is on record as being Jew-ish.", ">\n\nHe wants to gut the ethics committee, but people think he might resign?\nlol...", ">\n\nVery powerful people paid for him to be there. He going anywhere", ">\n\nSurprising we still don’t know who.", ">\n\nNot surprising that he's not willing to resign voluntarily right now - probably thinking he can ride it out.\nIn the house it takes a 2/3 vote to expel a member. At some point, there may be enough votes in the house to expel him. I think he has little support even from the republicans. Republicans will be looking ahead to 2024 and won't want him on the 2024 ticket.", ">\n\nOf course he can ride it out. No Republican is going to risk losing a seat.\nHopefully he'll be gone in 2025.", ">\n\nWeird how corporate execs seem to be more sensitive to public opinion than politicians.", ">\n\nThe reason I think it's offensive that he gets to keep his seat isn't just because of the lies he's told, or even their sheer volume or frequency, but because of the fact that he is able to get away with lying despite the fact that is SO BAD AT IT.\nSo.\nBad.\nAt.\nLying.\nAnd when you examine and realize what his MO is, you should be, too. He's one of those people whose knee jerk reaction to anything awful is to automatically claim that they are also a victim to them. Or, at the very least, victim-adjacent. And Santos, at least, adjacent to almost EVERYTHING.\n\nHolocaust; \nterrorist attacks; \nshootings*; \nglobal pandemic\n\n(Note: I can't actually find an article dedicated to his lie about having four employees being murdered at the Pulse Nightclub shootings because EVERY OTHER LIE eclipses that one) \nHonest to God, who do you know that has that kind of tragic background? There are families who presently live or lived on Native American Burial Grounds and they are less cursed than Santos' supposed character. \nAnd that alone SHOULD be able enough to disqualify him from holding public office, but lucky for him, his party is desperate for seats and don't give a shit about ethics and the opposing party couldn't be bothered to look into his background sooner.", ">\n\nThe fact is that America lost again and George Santos won!\n“Of course it bothers me,” Daniel Zimmerman, a 70-year-old registered Democrat, told POLITICO as he left a local pharmacy Thursday in Great Neck, a waterfront enclave in the heart of the district. But, he added, he’d vote for Santos again. “Right now I’m a Republican because Democrats, they’re destroying our country. I don’t like the president,”\nHere is Santos theme for reelection;\nAsked if he feels “no shame” about telling “blatant lies” to the electorate, Santos said:\n“I can say the same thing about the Democrats and the party, look at Joe Biden. Joe Biden has been lying to the American people for 40 years, he’s the president of the United States,” he said.", ">\n\nHe's been dealing with that sort of pressure his entire lying life.", ">\n\nConsidering how often he has moved, I don't think he has.", ">\n\nYea, regular relocation is one of the indicators of a conman.", ">\n\nShamelessness … cornerstone of being a conservative in America.", ">\n\nHow did his opponent not know any of this? If I were running for dog catcher I would comb through my opponents past looking for any shred of impropriety, that's basic oppo research is it not?", ">\n\nIs it me or does this clown look like what you'd expect a pedo to look like?", ">\n\nHe's super creepy.", ">\n\nTell him to come home to Brazil, we have cake and he'd be in the running for the new alt-reich darling in Brazil's south!", ">\n\nGeorge Santos — aka Anthony Devolder — is mentally ill. He is so lost in his constricted fantasy world that he cannot admit that it is fantasy. To do so would break him. \nLet me tell you a atory. My junior year of college, I met a young woman. I noticed she always wore a brace on one of her legs. \nOne day, I asked her about the brace. She told me she had suffered cancer in the bone of that leg, and it was still weak after treatment. \nFast forward several months, and she tells me she is suffering a relapse, but is going to try to stay in school while receiving treatments. As the next school year progresses, medical equipment starts showing up in her room. Biohazard bags, IV stands. She begins asking me to escort her to the hospital for treatments, but always wants me to drop her outside the front door of the hospital. I don’t think much of it st the time. \nAs the year goes on, I am spending more and more and more of my time taking care of her. I feel terrible for her. She is a friend, and th first person I have ever known with cancer. \nI stop going to several classes, my grades fall. But I don’t care. She is sick and needs my help. \nOne day, I am actually at one of my classes when a friend finds me during a break. She grabs my arm and says I have to come with her. I follow her TOs conference room where I find a bunch of my friends…and the Dean of Students. \nThe Dean says, “Your friend is sick…but not in the way you think….” She begins to tell a story about how my friend is mentally ill and has fabricated her entire cancer progression. \nIn the weeks that follow, I learn that this lie, as horrific as it was, was just the tip of the iceberg. \nShe had lied also about being raped, about having an uncle who died of AIDS, and of a connection to a really famous music producer whose name begins with David and ends with Geffrn. \nFor this last, she would carry on hour-long discussions with “David” on her cordless phone, either in her dorm room or in the hallway outside her room. I now know she was having conversations with dead air on the other end. \nSantos is now enmeshed inside a web of lies like this. He is so upside down in his world of lies, he doesn’t know how to find his way out. \nHe needs medical help, and soon.", ">\n\nI found the name Anthony Devolder when looking into him myself - is this confirmed?\nI'm very sorry to hear about that whole ordeal you went through. I hope you were able to get your grades back on track and moved on as healthily as you could from that.", ">\n\nHe's actually Andy Kaufman.", ">\n\nPlease delete this. There is no need to insult the comedian that passed away.", ">\n\nWhy? Andy Kaufman would love to make people confused and angry with an unpredictable, absurd stunt.", ">\n\nYou two should settle it with a wrestling match.", ">\n\nNotice I don't download him for having an opinion I disagree with, like a dick would.", ">\n\nif he leaves is it a special election or does the governor appoint ?", ">\n\nWhy would he?\nNot a surprise to him that he was lying, he knew the whole time and he always intended to stay in office. Obviously he isn't going to leave when he is given the option.\nThe fact we're asking his permission to fire him for making up his credentials is the really weird thing.", ">\n\nThis poser got exactly where he wanted to get; he will never leave of his own accord", ">\n\nHe’s a bizzaro Forrest Gump for sure. Trump was a BS artist, it was to please people. In this case, Santo’s head is the writers’ room for the worst possible thing to say. Let’s piss off your district that has Jews, was hit extra hard by 9/11, and has tons of people who actually worked where you claimed you worked. At least Trump catered to the exact opposite end of society he was in, whereas Santos is surrounded by ostensible peers.", ">\n\nHe will lie about him resigning…", ">\n\nImpeach him then. If he isn’t going to be honorable, and let’s face it we knew he wouldn’t, then use the means you have to remove him.", ">\n\nIs her phone upside-down in the picture? Lol", ">\n\nNot surprising. \nIf he resigns where is he gonna go. Who will hire him? For anything? Will he go homeless?\nHe has everything to lose if he resigns. Nothing to lose if stay.", ">\n\nkevin and m.t. are using him and there is no ethics committee now. He is the perfect pawn.", ">\n\nWhy would he, most republicans have the same back lash. If he’s re-elected than we only have our idiotic society to blame.", ">\n\nEvery time I think he's the most Republican politician ever, he gets even more Republican. Lying to voters, supporters, and party members. Scamming donors. Finance shenanigans. Legal troubles. Now refusing to resign or admit any culpability. Perfect GOP politician.", ">\n\nAll of Santo's shit was public and researched by a local paper, nobody cared, democrats didn't come out and vote. Too late to complain about a guy lying on his resume.", ">\n\nHe will hang on as long as he can to pad the bank account because he’s a scammer and he knows he will have to step down eventually. The evidence shows the pattern of deception from very early on and as his lies grew so did his confidence in those lies being believed. Being caught obviously hasn’t changed his behaviour in the past he just moved out of the area. But he can’t move far enough now. He’s a complete embarrassment to the party and the voters but the skin is thick as the swine on this one. These kinda of grifters never change and he’ll try another way, in another sphere to ride on others backs. Trump has done this his entire life too." ]

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[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information" ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified" ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times" ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs.", ">\n\nTrump refused to corporated and had an obscene amount.\nBiden is cooperating. Although it's not a good look at all that they keep being found. It appears they are doing a thorough sweep now which is good.\nBoth are bad, but Trump's is worse with the worse intent." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs.", ">\n\nTrump refused to corporated and had an obscene amount.\nBiden is cooperating. Although it's not a good look at all that they keep being found. It appears they are doing a thorough sweep now which is good.\nBoth are bad, but Trump's is worse with the worse intent.", ">\n\nNow this comment highlights the severe hypocrisy of r/politics." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs.", ">\n\nTrump refused to corporated and had an obscene amount.\nBiden is cooperating. Although it's not a good look at all that they keep being found. It appears they are doing a thorough sweep now which is good.\nBoth are bad, but Trump's is worse with the worse intent.", ">\n\nNow this comment highlights the severe hypocrisy of r/politics.", ">\n\nExplain" ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs.", ">\n\nTrump refused to corporated and had an obscene amount.\nBiden is cooperating. Although it's not a good look at all that they keep being found. It appears they are doing a thorough sweep now which is good.\nBoth are bad, but Trump's is worse with the worse intent.", ">\n\nNow this comment highlights the severe hypocrisy of r/politics.", ">\n\nExplain", ">\n\nWorse than Trump." ]

[ "I have no idea what to do with this piece of information", ">\n\nI'm going with crying.", ">\n\nSounds like all presidents need to be more thoroughly and regularly trained on security and privacy.", ">\n\nOK what were they.", ">\n\nI believe that’s classified", ">\n\nOkay. But which nuclear secrets did trump have?! Which one’s exactly.\n-North Korean journalist for Iran Times", ">\n\nWell thats Trump off the hook so\nWhilst his behaviour was much worse i cant see him being charged off the back of this news.", ">\n\nTrump's not \"off the hook\". It wasn't the finding of the classified documents that got Trump in hot water, it was his refusal to return them, which is why Trump got the FBI raid - because he was uncooperative and instead combative.", ">\n\nThis information means he was careless with classified documents. Three different places so far. Will the list continue. No it's not like trump, but maybe worse as he has no idea where he keeps his classified docs.", ">\n\nTrump refused to corporated and had an obscene amount.\nBiden is cooperating. Although it's not a good look at all that they keep being found. It appears they are doing a thorough sweep now which is good.\nBoth are bad, but Trump's is worse with the worse intent.", ">\n\nNow this comment highlights the severe hypocrisy of r/politics.", ">\n\nExplain", ">\n\nWorse than Trump.", ">\n\nUh, no. There was also that whole, you know, lying to investigators that Trump turned over all the documents, obstruction, Trump's insistence that they we're his personal property. Etc, etc. \nOf course none of that will matter in the public's eye. For all intents and purposes, Trump is once again off the hook. The waters are so thoroughly muddled now." ]

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[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst ." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison" ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article." ]

[ "Considering they spend most of 2022 importing VERY little and still able to export a lot as people worked to end reliance on them, the outlook is absolutely disastrous for them.\nYou can tighten the belt for a year and skip maintenance on stuff and break out the spare parts, but they're running on fumes at this point.\nCouldn't happen to a nicer country, lmao", ">\n\nRussian economy collapses 2023 🤞🏻", ">\n\nAs great as it would be in the short term for Ukraine, having a country with thousands of nuclear weapons implode is not exactly something to hope for. Unless we’re going to limit climate change through nuclear winter.", ">\n\nAre you saying if the russian economy collapses that it somehow will result in a nuclear winter?", ">\n\nTo keep it brief:\n-Russian economy collapses.\n-Ukraine war ends in humiliation as Russia is forced to withdraw.\n-This further exacerbates existing ethnic, cultural, and class tensions in Russia.\n-Leadership flees or has “accidents.” Remaining powers are the Balkanized remains of intelligence, regional governors “militias,” Chechnian autocracy, Wagner group, oligarchs, and various others, all with access to weapons and susceptible to outside influence as a struggle for power and resources begins.\n-The ultimate trump card in any war is atomic weapons. Missiles, bombers, stored weapons, and boomers will become highly sought-after prizes that allow any group that grabs one to hold whole cities hostage.\n-Out of the roughly 6,000 nuclear weapons that Russia has, it is inevitable that a few will end up split between factions. Probably at least hundreds will be taken.\n-At least one idiot will pull the trigger. If it’s purely a localized detonation, then only hundreds of thousands die. If someone decides that punishing NATO, Europe, Ukraine, the US, or China (who will inevitably be pulling some strings) is more valuable than survival, then there will be a nuclear exchange. At that point, we become dependent on very cool heads to prevail.\nSo, far from certain, but the collapse of the Russian economy in its weakened political state could absolutely result in nuclear war.", ">\n\nHmm, makes you wonder what the real numbers are like", ">\n\nLiterally my first thought. Can never trust the Russians", ">\n\nMust be way worse. To think that in reality, it is likely worse than even what I think, because that is the intended effect of propaganda. \nMake no mistake, the sanctions are having an effect. They are only showing they are in debt because nobody would believe them if they claimed otherwise.", ">\n\nEspecially with all the corruption and yes-men there. All the managers report everything is fine, until shit breaks because it hasn't been maintained for 10 years, stock doesn't exist and workers are underpaid.", ">\n\nUnderpaid? More like not paid.", ">\n\nand that's while energy export revenues were at all time highs. now they're in the toilet.", ">\n\nYes, 2023 will be MUCH worse.", ">\n\nAll they have to do is return home… so easy…", ">\n\nAnd pay for all the damage.", ">\n\nI think that if Russia offered to withdraw completely from Ukraine right now, in exchange for not paying any damages, then that is a deal that Ukraine and the West would be overjoyed to accept.", ">\n\nTbf they'd probably hold out for returning the kidnapped children.", ">\n\nThere have already been many Western politicians making surrender-like noises, though still a minority, saying that Ukraine should negotiate some kind of peace giving Russia Ukrainian territory. Which would be an incredibly stupid appeasement of Russia, who would just attack later again at an opportune time, because it works.\nSacrificing some anonymous children for a real peace would be far more tempting. I seriously doubt we would hold out.", ">\n\nThose noises have been made since the beginning. \nI'd suggest you look up the number of children Russia has taken, that's a lot more than \"some\"", ">\n\n👍🏼 keep it up", ">\n\nabout 50 billion $ loss for one year? if noone (ie china) isnt bailing them out, then how long until they will go bankrupt, if thats possible with their reserves?", ">\n\nPerun just had a presentation about this. Long story short: Russia can do a lot of things to keep trucking along for a while to maintain a war footing, and we shouldn't be looking at Russian insolvency as a cause for the war to end.", ">\n\nIt will constrain their ability to import things en masse (especially sanctioned items that are already way more expensive to acquire on the black market), but their domestic economy is very salvageable at least. People in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts. \nOf course Russian military industry is heavily reliant on western imports, so they're going to need to do a lot of hard work restructuring and finding (often inferior) substitutes. But this doesn't mean production stops completely, rather it's throttled compared to what they would be capable of under ideal circumstances (good economy + no sanctions). \nSimply put they won't be able to produce as many state of the art cruise and ballistic missiles as they'd like to, but dumb artillery shells and the like are easy enough to produce that it can be done using mostly domestic parts and scaled up to meet wartime demands.", ">\n\n\nPeople in wartime tend to just accept having to live without as many modern comforts.\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out, like Britain in WW2 for instance. I personally would be very unwilling to accept hardship due to my country trying to start a war with one of my neighbours for dubious reasons.", ">\n\n\nPeople usually accept this more readily when the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out\n\nPeople accept this more readily when they believe the country is under attack and in threat of being wiped out.\nRussian media has been talking about NATO invading Russia for years before Russia invaded Ukraine, so it's easy to sell it to the population as a defensive war.", ">\n\nYou make a good point. I would be interested to know how many people believe that Russia was about to get attacked and Putin was left with no choice. I have seen interviews with people who believe that and people who think it's false.", ">\n\nFrom the creators of “Sanctions don’t work” and “Iskanders don’t fear sanctions”", ">\n\nSanctions alone probably wouldn't have been that effective, but since Russia is scrabbling to keep fighting this war it's hurting them a lot more than it would if they were just plundering Ukraine", ">\n\nRussia reported $47B deficit, so it's more like $470B then?", ">\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \nI guess as soon as they can not pay their soldiers (or their widows) anymore, they will just send them into worse battles and hope they don't come back. \nThe widows will probably just be ignored.", ">\n\n\nWell, they just executed prisoners that came back from surviving the front line for 6 months BECAUSE they survived and didn't run into the Ukrainian bullets. \n\nDo you have a source on that?", ">\n\nWagner executes a traitor\nThey officially do this kind of stuff all the time, but they only publish videos only for specific cases. \nEDIT: They probably meant this article \nRussian prisoners sent to the front lines in Ukraine have been publicly executed for not charging into enemy fire, captured inmates say", ">\n\nThats not what the other guys was claiming, like at all.\nAs shitty as this also is, its not killing fighters that return alive because Russia doesn't want to pay them.", ">\n\nYes, there is no hard evidence in this case. But this is officially a part of Wagner's Ideology.\n\"You join Wagner PMC by your own choice, but you leave Wagner as a Hero of Russia or in a body bag\", \"You get two grenades. One for your enemy, one for yourself. Members of Wagner do not surrender.\" \nJust google any recruitment videos for Wagner PMC. \n\nRussia doesn't want to pay them.\n\nHe didn't claimed this \\^. They are being executed for refusing to follow suicide orders. Wagner pays very well, more than the regular military. This is their brand.", ">\n\nConsidering less than half of their assets are actually frozen, the existing war chest can prolong the war until 2027-2028.", ">\n\nAnd then what", ">\n\nTotal collapse of their economy so hopefully a total revolution and RF breaking up USSR style", ">\n\nAll the 'I'm apolitical' Russians deserve what is surely to come. I hope they are satisfied with their future pensions going on war reparation and decades of austerity and poverty.", ">\n\nWe got’em beat!", ">\n\nIf the world has confidence that your country is productive enough to pay back the deficit then even if it’s a big deficit it’s survivable. Particularly if you’re overall economy is large and healthy/diverse enough. See: the US and most OECD nations. \nDo you think the world has enough confidence in Russias productivity to pull that off even for a smaller deficit? No, me either. And in terms of scale Russias economy is barely comparable to that of Italy … and even that was mostly down to their fossil fuel exports. Which they don’t have to remotely the same degree now (and most nations they used to trade with are - unsurprisingly - transitioning away from fossil fuels now as fast as bloody possible). \nRussia is screwed. It’ll take a long while to play out - certainly longer than most of us would like - but in the long run they’re done.", ">\n\nTrue. But the Rusdian economy is big enough to survive for a long time. I want the war to end. This budget deficit isn't going to be the thing that does that.", ">\n\nAnd that is most probably not the real numbers . Migth be worst .", ">\n\nBut if they're still able to borrow money it's not going to seriously hurt them, at least in the short term. \nLong term debt servicing will become a formidable percentage of the budget. For example in my country debt servicing takes up a huge and increasing amount of government spending, but is offset by growth. \nIf sanctions work effectively this long term will diminish Russian spending power, but if they're able to borrow money it could take years to have concrete results. They also have lots and lots of assets. \nIn general though this is troublesome for their economy so I'm quite pleased as someone who really hates them.", ">\n\nThe rates on those loans will be a long term nightmare, that is if they can secure them at all.", ">\n\nAnd thats with record oil and gas prices in the summer.\nLets see how this year will go", ">\n\nSo a little less than one Sochi but not as much as a Putin castle.", ">\n\nGiven Russia’s track record when reporting bad news, you could probably add another 0 onto that number.", ">\n\nTexas’ surplus is nearly as big as Russias deficit", ">\n\nMirror site", ">\n\nso how long they gonna resort into selling Russian land to other countries redrawing the borders?", ">\n\nConsidering that this is the number Russia posted, part of me wonders if this is the *best they could cook up to look good", ">\n\nIs that a lot? Doesnt the US deficit go in the trillions?", ">\n\nThe difference is that the US deficit is used to boost its GDP, so it really 'doesn't matter' as long as GDP growth is good. Basically, as long as your GDP's growth exceeds your deficit growth, you're 'winning'. Covid threw a wrench in.....well, everything, so there's that.\nThe US population is also notably growing.\n​\nRussia's GDP, on the other hand, is currently sinking. \nThe Russian population is also notably collasping.", ">\n\nThe article NY Times is referring to says the aforementioned sum was invested. So, it's pretty much the same scenario IF (!) it works out.", ">\n\nIt was \"invested\", yes.\nJust like all the money they \"invested\" in....everything else about their country.\n​\n....Huh, why is the military they \"invested\" so much in failing, again?", ">\n\nDamn imagine that. Russia did not lose as much as Elon musk. Haha.", ">\n\nDo they really have that gold or it exists only on paper like their 1.5 million military uniforms.", ">\n\nRussia has no gold? They mine 300 tonnes a year. Russia has no uniforms? Are you implying they can't produce or import a shirt, what did they do up until the mid 90s run around naked? Check your information, while I'm sure issues were mobilizing 300 000 soldiers because it's not common practice, assuming they can't get clothing for them or just move stores from one warehouse to where it is needed is ridiculous.", ">\n\nHold your horses. Its 2.3%. Most countries in eastern europe operate at 3% budget deficits during peace time. In fact EU as a whole requires under 3% deficit, so probably big part of europe is in the same range.", ">\n\nHow come the united states can profit off the wars they start but Russia cant?", ">\n\nThe US government doesn't profit, it's very costly, but they're big enough to throw down and swallow the losses, and because there's powerful factions that do profit, they'll be convinced to keep on doing it.", ">\n\nOh, some people do profit, just not the government.\nThe US wages war for private companies and connected insiders, hence the focus on oil-rich territories.", ">\n\n“Those are rookie numbers” - The National Debt", ">\n\nUS: “Rookie numbers, kid- I drum up 47B in deficit spending by breakfast.”", ">\n\nAhhh the comments that ring truest always get the downvotes, I love it.", ">\n\nBut it isn't \"true\"... you can't look at the absolute numbers when making this comparison", ">\n\nThe US Budget Deficit was 1.4T in 2022 alone and stands at over 30T currently. Nothing cracks me up more than the downvotes which further accentuate the irony and hypocrisy of this article.", ">\n\nThat’s a great summation of how modern day Russia came to be. Can you do Putin too?" ]