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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped."
] |
>
Both sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS."
] |
>
Both sides are playing the propaganda game.
People frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as "both-sidesing" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets."
] |
>
You may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do."
] |
>
There’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.
Russia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too"
] |
>
Yea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda."
] |
>
It is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.
And to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them"
] |
>
It's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians.
Take out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine.
Basically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive."
] |
>
Most countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat."
] |
>
It's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages."
] |
>
There is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home."
] |
>
That’s how you get a military coup. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action."
] |
>
Must be how Petreus evolved | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup."
] |
>
Given it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.
The only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.
From its wiki: "During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident."
They are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved"
] |
>
In that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack."
] |
>
To be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.
A perfect storm of bad luck. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour."
] |
>
Like the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.
That's insane. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck."
] |
>
Not that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane."
] |
>
Russia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'
Fixed it | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy."
] |
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Alternatively, they "will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border." | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it"
] |
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It’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\""
] |
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Mark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious."
] |
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That “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building."
] |
>
There is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure."
] |
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This was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles."
] |
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I haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.
You see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?"
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HIMARS are actually powered by hospitals. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s"
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Well they do both start with H....... | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals."
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My
Artillery
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Shooter
Seems pretty obvious.. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H......."
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And somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!” | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious.."
] |
>
I'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”"
] |
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They are gonna do both. Two times | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them."
] |
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Is anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive "ok"?
For me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, "OK then, that was always allowed". | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times"
] |
>
I mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.
Just like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\"."
] |
>
"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition". | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?"
] |
>
Are you saying they might lose their deposit!? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\"."
] |
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I believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk' | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?"
] |
>
loluk | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'"
] |
>
loluok? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk"
] |
>
I really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.
Do they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?"
] |
>
I feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do
"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!" | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it."
] |
>
I mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.
We haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.
There're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\""
] |
>
UK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway."
] |
>
So what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems."
] |
>
I mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks."
] |
>
Not to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone."
] |
>
ya, it's literally the same tank with some "modern" optics | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department."
] |
>
…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics"
] |
>
Lmfao too true. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine."
] |
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Let’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true."
] |
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Righto chaps | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧"
] |
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Wow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps"
] |
>
I'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired."
] |
>
At this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health."
] |
>
*generations | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years."
] |
>
Ah, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations"
] |
>
Russia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them."
] |
>
Nobody cares what Russia thinks. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning."
] |
>
I don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks."
] |
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Yeah, burn your t-72's | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture."
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I think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's"
] |
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Ouch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now."
] |
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Given that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol"
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Exactly! | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death."
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Sounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!"
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"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain."
] |
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... what accent was that supposed to be? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG"
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Soccer stadium | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?"
] |
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Just like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself?
But to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium"
] |
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Ukrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: "You first!" | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first."
] |
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The Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\""
] |
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Every time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.
14 Challys!
'they will burn'
30 Challys!
'we will nuke London'
100 Challys!
'we will nuke the entire west'
3000 glorious Challys of Britain! | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good."
] |
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Think we only have 200 odd unfortunately | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!"
] |
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That is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately"
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Some probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though"
] |
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Exactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them."
] |
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“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is"
] |
>
"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage." | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it."
] |
>
So I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\""
] |
>
Yeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first"
] |
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Well it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement."
] |
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Even the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:
So significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;
Russia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;
that's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”."
] |
>
Nationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks."
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I am sorry, my "russia warns" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years? | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world."
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I think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?"
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Doubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds."
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Russia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS."
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I really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.
Russia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.
If they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless"
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Historically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder.
The Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.
For NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them."
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Unless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away."
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Not particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon."
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Yes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions! | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO"
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It's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!"
] |
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Can tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔 | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus."
] |
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I mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔"
] |
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I mean of course there will be tank losses. No Tank is indestructible | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔",
">\n\nI mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem."
] |
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True, but I'd rather be in a Chally 2 over pretty much any other tank. I think the only one ever knocked out was by another Chally, and one of them took over 70 RPG hits without going down | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔",
">\n\nI mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem.",
">\n\nI mean of course there will be tank losses. No Tank is indestructible"
] |
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Going up against the trundling museum pieces that Russia is fielding is going to a walkover. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔",
">\n\nI mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem.",
">\n\nI mean of course there will be tank losses. No Tank is indestructible",
">\n\nTrue, but I'd rather be in a Chally 2 over pretty much any other tank. I think the only one ever knocked out was by another Chally, and one of them took over 70 RPG hits without going down"
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It was state of the art 30 years ago. Now it's been retired by the UK MoD. 1/3 of their Challengers are getting a refit to turn them into what will be called Challenger3, the other 2/3 are getting scrapped as obsolete. We're giving Ukraine the obsolete ones which is better than nothing but it's not as dominant as it would have been in its prime.
You wouldn't want to fight 56 year old Mike Tyson today and he'll probably still fuck you up but it's not like fighting him at his peak. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔",
">\n\nI mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem.",
">\n\nI mean of course there will be tank losses. No Tank is indestructible",
">\n\nTrue, but I'd rather be in a Chally 2 over pretty much any other tank. I think the only one ever knocked out was by another Chally, and one of them took over 70 RPG hits without going down",
">\n\nGoing up against the trundling museum pieces that Russia is fielding is going to a walkover."
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Agreed, but let's not forget that these 30 year old tanks are coming up against...30+ year old tanks.
As I understand it, anything short of a T-90M will be utterly outclassed by the Challenger. These tanks were designed with completely different doctrines in mind - Soviet tanks were designed to advance very quickly across the weaker bridges of Eastern Europe, and overwhelm NATO with sheer numbers, whereas NATO designed their tanks to basically be juggernauts, capable of taking and dishing out huge levels of punishment before going down.
If I'm Ivan Conskriptki, the very last thing I'd want to see is large deliveries of both Challengers and Leopards. Chobham and Dorchester armoured vehicles have shown themselves to be incredibly resilient when compared to T-72Ms with ERA, for example. | [
"I'm surprised they didn't announced their destruction already.",
">\n\nYou're joking, but they did proudly announce the destruction of several Bradley's months before their delivery...",
">\n\nThey said they destroyed the crowd-funded Lithuanian Bayraktar a month before it was due to leave the factory",
">\n\nThey're still claiming to have destroyed more HIMARS than have even been delivered to Ukraine, right?",
">\n\nYep. Last time I heard about it they had destroyed twenty seven of them. Only 20 were ever shipped.",
">\n\nCorrect me if I'm wrong but as far as I'm aware they have in fact not destroyed a single HIMARS.",
">\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game. I doubt Ukraine would want to confirm a kill for the Russians. I wouldn't be surprised if a few had been hit given how high priority they must be as targets.",
">\n\n\nBoth sides are playing the propaganda game.\n\nPeople frequently say this in these threads, but it's about as accurate as \"both-sidesing\" U.S. political parties. If you look at Ukraine's reported numbers on various things in the war, they come a hell of a lot closer to numbers confirmed by other sources than the Russian's numbers do.",
">\n\nYou may be right but truth is the first casualty in war and it would be naive to think Ukraine isn't using propaganda to their advantage too",
">\n\nThere’s propaganda and then there’s just silly lies.\nRussia can do insidious political propaganda like QAnon, but it can’t do wartime propaganda.",
">\n\nYea well they're not schools, hospitals or residential apartments so I doubt they can hit them",
">\n\nIt is really impressive that they developed such a niche targeting system to only hit non-combatants.\nAnd to think Ukraine simultaneously designed a system to only target high ranking Russian generals and commanders is really impressive.",
">\n\nIt's a fair strategy on the part of the Ukrainians. \nTake out the officers and the conscripts are now left without direction because Russian doctrine does not give soldiers the autonomy to act unlike American doctrine. \nBasically you kill the officer and everyone is left in a confused mess and you can either take them out or break their morale and make them retreat.",
">\n\nMost countries' military doctrines don't give their soldiers autonomy. It's one of our biggest advantages.",
">\n\nIt's a difficult strategy though - if the average Russian solider was given any autonomy they'd just go home.",
">\n\nThere is that. Other countries could give themselves a big leg up by adopting our practices, but tradition, and authoritarian countries really don't want to encourage independent thought/action.",
">\n\nThat’s how you get a military coup.",
">\n\nMust be how Petreus evolved",
">\n\nGiven it's only 14 being sent, yeah maybe the chances are they all get destroyed eventually. The question is what the Challengers destroy in the mean time.\nThe only thing to have ever taken out a Challenger 2 in combat is... another Challenger 2.\nFrom its wiki: \"During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter [one] was hit by 14 rocket propelled grenades from close range and a MILAN anti-tank missile. The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.\"\nThey are, uh, pretty tough nuts to crack.",
">\n\nIn that blue on blue as I recall the shooting tank delivered a first round hit through the top hatch as well .. like they shoot so well they don't even need to worry about armour.",
">\n\nTo be fair in that case the hatch was open, and directed the shrapnel downwards straight at some ammo being loaded.\nA perfect storm of bad luck.",
">\n\nLike the shell checked medical records en route and hit them in the bad knee.\nThat's insane.",
">\n\nNot that it makes it better, but gotta feel a little thankfully it missed the commander's recent colonoscopy.",
">\n\nRussia warns any Challenger tanks sent to Ukraine from Britain 'will burn Russian tanks'\nFixed it",
">\n\nAlternatively, they \"will burn lots of fuel advancing towards the Russian border.\"",
">\n\nIt’s so nice of them to be environmentally conscious.",
">\n\nMark my words. Russia is going to claim soon they destroyed 100 western tanks parked on the second floor of a parking building.",
">\n\nThat “HIMARS destroyed” video where they dropped some munitions on the second floor window of a building was fucking hilarious and baffling in equal measure.",
">\n\nThere is SOME merit to their claims of destroying HIMARS. Its been said the Ukrainians have been constructing wooden versions that they trot out. Russia destroys an arts and crafts project with millions of dollars worth of missiles.",
">\n\nThis was a video where they just bombed a building. Not even a parking garage. Like, how the fuck would a HIMARS even get in there?",
">\n\nI haven’t seen the video just speaking more generally.\nYou see, your western brain cannot comprehend Ukrainian Nazi tactics. They hollow out buildings and put in a retractable ceiling. HIMARS inside building, destroy building, destroy HIMARS. /s",
">\n\nHIMARS are actually powered by hospitals.",
">\n\nWell they do both start with H.......",
">\n\nHospital\nIs\nMy\nArtillery\nRound\nShooter\nSeems pretty obvious..",
">\n\nAnd somewhere a Russian army intel officer, half a bottle of vodka down is like: “I knew it!”",
">\n\nI'm sure they look forward to announcing the destruction of all 45 of the 12 Challenger tanks sent. They might even wait until after the tanks arrive to claim to have destroyed them.",
">\n\nThey are gonna do both. Two times",
">\n\nIs anyone else's response to Russian threats become just a dismissive \"ok\"?\nFor me it's either that or the R&M scene when Jerry is in the daycare and he storms out thinking he is fighting the system and the attendant says, \"OK then, that was always allowed\".",
">\n\nI mean, threatening to blow up weapons you are sending into war is exactly that energy.\nJust like: Ok, that IS how combat works. Have you been not doing that or something?",
">\n\n\"Oh shit, better not give Ukraine those tanks if they aren't going to be returned in mint condition\".",
">\n\nAre you saying they might lose their deposit!?",
">\n\nI believe the correct official response from the UK should be 'lolk'",
">\n\nloluk",
">\n\nloluok?",
">\n\nI really don’t see the point of threatening to blow up weaponry being sent into war.\nDo they think the Brits are scared of putting their tanks in danger? It’s a tank. That’s very literally the intended purpose of it.",
">\n\nI feel like they assume every country deals with the same logistics issues they do\n\"12 challenger tanks!? That must be a quarter of their entire force! I bet only half that force is even functional too!\"",
">\n\nI mean, we don't have many of them - 227 or something.\nWe haven't had much use for tank warfare in the last 80 or so years. Focus has been on other more flexible priorities like aircraft etc.\nThere're not doing us much use and we're retiring a bunch anyway.",
">\n\nUK is notorious for underfunding things that they need and then suddenly realising that they need it. At least by shifting some stock around they may start pushing harder to replace a 30 year old design and get the UK to rearm to more modern systems.",
">\n\nSo what they are saying is that they are terrified of western tanks.",
">\n\nI mean the West has ton of true Gen 3 tanks compared to Russia. Only 750-1000 T90s are built with 200 of those exported compared to the over 10,000 M1s built with the US have 2500 in active service and 5600 that in an emergency situation can be reactivated. Some of the 5600 mothballed ones have been getting prepped to possibly be sent over tp Ukraine and it would absolutely overwhelm the Russian mechanized united alone.",
">\n\nNot to even mention that T-90 is just a T-72 with a new name from the marketing department.",
">\n\nya, it's literally the same tank with some \"modern\" optics",
">\n\n…said the largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine.",
">\n\nLmfao too true.",
">\n\nLet’s be having you 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧",
">\n\nRighto chaps",
">\n\nWow, that's a whole lot of deescalation from their regular talks about nuking everyone who challenges them. They're getting tired.",
">\n\nI'm sure they received some behind the scenes messages about why making those threats is hazardous to Russia's health.",
">\n\nAt this point I don’t think they can damage their image further. This will last years.",
">\n\n*generations",
">\n\nAh, that'll stop Britain. I'm sure they weren't aware that Russia would want to blow up the tanks shooting at them.",
">\n\nRussia was threatening to Nuke the UK every other tuesday a couple of months ago. Threatening to blow up tanks we send to Ukraine doesn't really sound very threatening anymore. They already played their biggest card and over used it to the point it no longer has any meaning.",
">\n\nNobody cares what Russia thinks.",
">\n\nI don't personally care about their feelings but the end of the war will come exactly when Russia thinks it is better for them to end it than keep going. So we basically have to stomp their faces in until they get the picture.",
">\n\nYeah, burn your t-72's",
">\n\nI think they are either burnt or in Ukrainian hands already. They’re fielding T62s now.",
">\n\nOuch... Just the sight of a modern tank on the battlefield would be demoralizing when you're rolling around in a crank start vehicle. Lol",
">\n\nGiven that most of the crank start vehicles don’t even have thermal optics, the sight of a modern tank while you’re in one implies you’re quite literally moments away from death.",
">\n\nExactly!",
">\n\nSounds like fighting talk, game on - let's go Britain.",
">\n\nBANG BANG\nCAM ON INGERLAND\nBANG BANG\nSEND SOME FOCKEN TAENKS\nBANG BANG",
">\n\n... what accent was that supposed to be?",
">\n\nSoccer stadium",
">\n\nJust like they got all those HIMARS right? If I recall it was a dude with a Kalashnikov rifle who took out 13 by himself? \nBut to be fair they have a better chance of hitting these than artillery/MLRS but still we know they'll go for more residential targets first.",
">\n\nUkrainians with Challenger 2 tanks: \"You first!\"",
">\n\nThe Russian tanks are the ones being destroyed, captured, or abandoned. If Putin is scared of western tanks, then good.",
">\n\nEvery time they put out a statement or threat like this we should just up the number we send.\n14 Challys!\n'they will burn'\n30 Challys!\n'we will nuke London'\n100 Challys!\n'we will nuke the entire west'\n3000 glorious Challys of Britain!",
">\n\nThink we only have 200 odd unfortunately",
">\n\nThat is unfortunate, was just an NCD reference though",
">\n\nSome probably will get destroyed, but as long as more Ukrainian crews get home than Russians then it was worth sending them.",
">\n\nExactly weapons get destroyed in war that’s how it is",
">\n\n“Will burn thru Russian lines”…fixed it.",
">\n\n\"will burn because of overheating due to too much usage.\"",
">\n\nSo I believe I’ve seen somewhere that no challenger 2 has ever been lost in combat… so go for it Russia, maybe start with Putin having a go himself first",
">\n\nYeah I read they went 200-0 vs Russian-made tanks in Iraq. No wonder they are pissed at this announcement.",
">\n\nWell it would be very strange if they said these tanks “will drown”.",
">\n\nEven the strongly pro-russian citizens must look at a statement like this and think:\n\nSo significantly upgraded tanks are being given to Ukraine;\nRussia's been having trouble with the old crappy tanks Ukraine has already;\nthat's going to be easier said than done to destroy these new tanks.",
">\n\nNationalism is a hell of a drug, I bet they can rationalize any defeat as some Pyrrhic victory in which they are somehow both the victims of oppression and the champions of the world.",
">\n\nI am sorry, my \"russia warns\" message box is full, maybe try again some time latter? Maybe in 200 or 500 years?",
">\n\nI think Putin may have more pressing matters if the tank's are supplied with Sabot rounds.",
">\n\nDoubt they'll even need them unless they decide to take out 3 tanks lined up in a row, training rounds would probably kill most of the junk putin's fielding, let alone HESH or ADFSDS.",
">\n\nRussia’s army is about the same as North Korea’s…..worthless",
">\n\nI really don't think Russia gets the British. If they destroy the Tanks and put it on social media. Britain will just send a bigger package.\nRussia thinks they are this stubborn scary Bear. But they definitely are in the fucking around phase before finding out.\nIf they had any fucking sense they would just not talk about them.",
">\n\nHistorically it’s very common for authoritarian states to underestimate democracies and to assume they don’t have the “stomach” to keep going when things get tough. The Kremlin seems to have fallen victim to this classic blunder. \nThe Ukrainians are absolutely committed to fighting for their freedom and the memories of the Holodomor will not soon be forgotten and Bucha and Irpin has already shown what happens when Russia takes towns. In WWII 1.6 million Ukrainian soldiers died in the Red Army but they drove out the fascists. If Stalin’s genocide couldn’t break Ukrainians and Hitler’s invasion couldn’t then I don’t think a few missile strikes on critical infrastructure will do so either. I want this war over soon but I also know Ukrainians would fight for years or even decades rather than unconditionally surrender to Russia.\nFor NATO/NATO allies it’s even simpler. The economy, population and weapons are so vast that they can prop Ukraine up for years or even decades while barely inconveniencing their people. Russia’s energy blackmail of the west has failed and Russia is trying to go up against the production capacity of a group of nations with roughly a billion people and with a majority of the world’s economy. Putin thinks democracies are weak but they can (and will) do this for years if necessary. The only question is how much material, resources and manpower does Russia want to throw away.",
">\n\nUnless Russia has some A10s to imitate the A10's blue on blue habits, not sure that will happen any time soon.",
">\n\nNot particularly worried about the TANKS. GTFO",
">\n\nYes, they'll burn so much ammo over russian positions!",
">\n\nIt's true. George Santos destroyed 20 of them already with lightning bolts from his anus.",
">\n\nCan tanks mysteriously fall out of top floor windows? 🤔",
">\n\nI mean yes, but in the case of this particular tank, that really becomes the floor's problem.",
">\n\nI mean of course there will be tank losses. No Tank is indestructible",
">\n\nTrue, but I'd rather be in a Chally 2 over pretty much any other tank. I think the only one ever knocked out was by another Chally, and one of them took over 70 RPG hits without going down",
">\n\nGoing up against the trundling museum pieces that Russia is fielding is going to a walkover.",
">\n\nIt was state of the art 30 years ago. Now it's been retired by the UK MoD. 1/3 of their Challengers are getting a refit to turn them into what will be called Challenger3, the other 2/3 are getting scrapped as obsolete. We're giving Ukraine the obsolete ones which is better than nothing but it's not as dominant as it would have been in its prime.\nYou wouldn't want to fight 56 year old Mike Tyson today and he'll probably still fuck you up but it's not like fighting him at his peak."
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