Datasets:

---

innovation-hacking2

/

shitposting_dataset1

like 0

[ "I mean, no I don't think the goblins were intended to disparage Jewish people nor that JK Rowling is personally antisemitic and deliberately sought to write characters that played into a myriad of Jewish stereotypes.\nHowever, that doesn't change the fact that the goblins in Harry Potter absolutely do play into tons of old anti-semitic stereotypes about Jewish people. They are hunched, ugly, larged-nosed secretive and insular people who basically control the finances of the entire wizarding world. They have strange cultural practices that are viewed with suspicion by everyone else. They literally hoard gold. And while they aren't portrayed as explicitly evil or anything, they also are definitely not portrayed as the good guys.\nSo while the goblins are overtly and intentionally anti-semitic, they are at best a clumsy amalgamation of stereotypes that would have probably been avoided by a more thoughtful and considerate author than Rowling. As to whether having them in the books actually does harm, I have no idea, but I don't think it's good.", ">\n\nSounds like the real antisemites are the people who think that just because goblins run the banking system in HP, then they must be equivalent to Jews.", ">\n\nOnly if you think we can't point out similarities to preexisting stereotypes without endorsing those stereotypes.", ">\n\nIt's an endorsement because you're repeating it as if it's some sort of fact.\nI wonder if you've even read the books, because there's nothing whatsoever in there that links goblins to Jewish people.", ">\n\nI have read the books and seen the movies. The goblins aren't Jewish, I am aware of that. But if you don't think hooked-nosed, insular, secretive greedy moneylenders don't have parallels to anti-semitic stereotypes, then I don't really know what to tell you.", ">\n\nAnd where do their long fingers and long feet, dwarfish height, expert metalsmithing, and the concept of goblin ownership fit into this theory of yours? \nYou're painting a caricature of the goblins anyway, their portrayal in the books is much more interesting than your summary.", ">\n\nI didn't realize something had to be literally one-to-one perfectly identical to known racist stereotypes before I was allowed to point it out?\nAgain, as I alluded to in my top level comment, I think it was just Rowling being lazy and falling into tropes about goblins and moneylenders. Her failure to catch the similarities to stereotypes of Jewish people is worthy of criticism, but doesn't mean the books are bad nor is it even close to the biggest criticism of Rowling or her work that can be made.", ">\n\nOk, so, Jew here, to get that out of the way.\nLots of Jews, because we tend culturally to value the arts, have copies of Shakespeare in their homes.\nThat does not make the portrait of Shylock not anti-Semitic (regardless of the authorial intent, I recognize that there is an argument that the Bard was critiquing the anti-Semitism of his time, but times change).\nThat the Merchant of Venice has been translated to Hebrew or that it has been performed in Israel to sell out crowds doesn't change the fact that Shylock is a highly problematic character.\nHere's the thing people don't get about minorities: we get that bigotry against us is kind of culturally normative. While we tend to call out problematic instances of bigotry, we basically tolerate day-to-day offenses our entire lives.\nIf we limited ourselves to entertainment that presented no issues of bigotry or appropriation, our choices would be pretty damn limited.\nJust because something is obviously anti-Semitic doesn't mean it isn't often overlooked if that anti-Semitism is a relatively minor instance of day-to-day bigotry, or is itself a \"baked-in\" part of some genre.", ">\n\n\nHere's the thing people don't get about minorities: we get that bigotry against us is kind of culturally normative. While we tend to call out problematic instances of bigotry, we basically tolerate day-to-day offenses our entire lives. \nIf we limited ourselves to entertainment that presented no issues of bigotry or appropriation, our choices would be pretty damn limited.\n\nJust underlining this. I think this is the key point that OP doesn't understand", ">\n\nWhy are you treating Harry Potter as some kinda black box? Like, you can't look at the text directly, but rather have to send Jews through the text and see what happens on the other side. If the goblins have a bunch of antisemitic tropes, then that's true whether or not you've heard anything from Israelis. And the same applies from the opposite direction if it's not antisemitic. The text is the text.", ">\n\nIf that's true, is it possible for something to bigoted even if no one of the group it's supposed to be bigoted against thinks so?", ">\n\nIt'd be rather unlikely, but it's not like you're polling all Jews. You're just doing this weird third hand thing where Jewish attitudes are a proxy for the text, and your vague vibes about Israeli opinion are a proxy for Jewish attitudes. And the text is right there, with the criticism sitting next to it, some of which is invariably coming from Jews, and all these bonus steps between us and that reality seem to just be mystifying what would otherwise be a rather straightforward process.", ">\n\nSome Jews have said it is antisemitic, yes. Some Jews say criticism of the government policies of Israel is antisemitic. Some black people say the notion that they aren't the real descendants of the ancient Israelites is racist. The world is a big place, and a lot of people are dumb, so you can find people of all backgrounds and demographics who believe all sorts of wildly untrue things. But if \"anyone of the relevant demographic says is bigoted is\" isn't a valid definition of bigotry, what is? Well, let's try a few and see if Harry Potter fits any of them. Firstly, does it directly harm people for being in a certain group, like a lynch mob or a concentration camp? Obviously, printed Harry Potter books aren't coming alive, flying into the houses of Jewish people, and exploding, so no. Does it directly advocate for acts that fall into the previous definition, like Mein Kampf or Birth of a Nation? The Goblins aren't literally Jews in the book, they're a separate species from humans, so no. Well then, does it encourage people to commit acts that fall into the first two definitions, even if not by overt advocacy? Well, you can say that it might in theory, but you can't prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the accuser, so can we actually find any anti-semites who say that Harry Potter made them antisemitic? I haven't, and I've certainly seen people who say that JK Rowling's post-HP book statements about trans people made them transphobic. So then, the only criterion remaining is \"do some people of the affected group somewhere consider it bigoted?\", which as previously established is a bad definition because it includes things that are patently absurd. Do you have another criteria in mind for determining if something is racist?", ">\n\nThe, \"Some people in the group think it's bigoted,\" thing was your criteria. I'm the one that thinks you should just check the text. And, along those lines, your argument for the second point, that goblins are not literally Jews, seems pretty bad. Like, no, they're not literally Jews. They just embody a lot.of antisemitic tropes. \nYour evaluation of the claim of bigotry seems super limited. You don't have to be performing or encouraging a literal genocide to be bigoted. It's sufficient to, say, stereotype a group of people. Does such a thing necessarily encourage violence? No. It expresses negative attitudes anyway. And the goblins, from what I've seen, play into some antisemitic tropes.", ">\n\nWhen you accuse someone of wrongdoing, you have to either prove intent, or prove harm. JK Rowling hasn't come out and said \"the goblins are supposed to be Jews\" so you can't prove intent, and no antisemites have said \"Harry Potter is what made me realize that the Jews run the world and need to be dealt with\", so you can't prove harm.", ">\n\nNo, neither of those are a particularly good way of evidencing bigotry in a text. Intent is largely unknowable. As you say, the closest we could plausibly come is her just telling us her intent, and even then it wouldn't fully illuminate the text. Death of the author is a rather important thing. Impact too, harm, is largely unknowable. I have no idea what impact the books had on antisemitism. Neither do you. Moreover, it's rather irrelevant. Would Mein Kampf cease to be antisemitic, or even be less so, if the book had languished in obscurity? Or been popular but not persuasive? As to intent, what if Hitler had told us his intent was not any animus towards Jews? Would these pieces of information combine to make the work not antisemitic?\nYou keep trying to work with proxies. Things outside the text that might tell us the answer to these questions. But the answers are within the text. Any claim that the book is antisemitic should begin and end within the books. External texts can be pertinent in that they are a handy reference guide for how antisemitism functions, but even there, you are comparing those reference points to the text, Harry Potter. If you don't think the books are antisemitic, tell me what about the arguments that it is, arguments located within the text, are unpersuasive.", ">\n\n.. An entire nation speaks Hebrew, that nation has lots of racist media and culture including antisemitic stuff, just like any nation in the world. \nI live in the US and I have watched plenty of japanese anime with anti-American stereotype characters in it that was translated into English. Lots of American entertainment features anti-American stereotype characters.\nYour idea that a country will never allow anything that is racist or against people like themselves to exist, or that no one will try to translate things in to such a language, is just wrong on it's face. It provides no evidence for your view.", ">\n\nWe take translated anime with anti-American stereotypes a lot less seriously because no one has ever orchestrated a genocide against white Americans. The same is not true of Jews.", ">\n\nDoes this not all boil down to individuals? Like any random American could be offended by anti-American stereotypes, and any random Jewish person may not be offended by anti-Jewish stereotypes. But neither of those opinions have any influence over whether the source material actually follows said stereotypes, just whether an individual finds them offensive.\nIn the case of JK Rowling's goblins, objectively speaking they hit every Jewish stereotype on the head to the point where it's difficult to make a more blatant example. Whether she intended it is impossible to know unless she admits it, and whether it's antisemitic is going to have some degree of subjectivity.", ">\n\nYet there are long established stereotypes that we've all as a whole internalized. Stereotypes about men, women, old people, all kinds of different religious and ethnic groups. Stereotypes that are often recognizable... such as the stereotype/caricature of the greedy jew.\nIf, and only if... since ive neither seen nor read harry potter... if these goblins encapsulate certain broadly recognizable jewish syereotypes... well, that is clear evidence to suggest at least some level of unconcious bias in creating the goblins. Perhaps a bias to which jk rowling is entrely blind", ">\n\nI don't think that just because a book sells well in Hebrew, it doesn't have anti-Semitic depictions. First of all, these books are meant for children. Children aren't particularly aware of tropes and stereotypes, and so won't make the connection or notice problem depictions. I know I didn't when I read the books as a kid. And because adults are not the target audience, they're less likely to even see the depictions. Secondly, Harry Potter was a global phenomenon. Popularity can often outstrip racist concerns due to people wanting to be part of the exciting thing. And in America, I feel confident a lot of Hebrew copies were for kids who also speak English, and got on the hype train from their English-speaking friends.\nLastly, people can have internal racist views that aren't as explicitly obvious, even when it's about their own race. In the US, dating sites find that non-white people often prefer dating white people over their own race. Many discriminated people have portrayed racist depictions in media like Uncle Toms, and there's literally a movie genre called blacksploitation.", ">\n\nIf you're in a reddit debate, and a bunch of people are replying to you with arguments that your response to would be something you've already posted elsewhere, is it normal to reply linking all of them to that post? I'm not sure on the ettiquite.", ">\n\nYou don't have to reply to every post.", ">\n\n\nTherefore, it follows that given various obvious facts about how the world works, any book that can be commercially published in Hebrew and Yiddish (and isn't a work of historical significance, where you're reading it to learn about how bad the author was, like Mein Kampf) can't be antisemitic. \n\nI don't think this follows at all! Antisemitism was the norm for much of the history of the written word. Many works throughout history have included antisemitic portrayals and still been translated into Hebrew- The Canterbury Tales, The Merchant of Venice, Oliver Twist just to name a few off the top of my head. \n\"There would never be a Hebrew translation of an antisemitic book\" is far from obvious and requires a lot more support to be accepted as a premise than just stating it.", ">\n\nThat's a fair point and disproves the original argument, but I've already refined that argument into a better argument which you can see in my other posts.", ">\n\nThe goblins follow a lot of antisemitic stereotypes, even if it is accidental. Like, if I wrote a comic about a black person eating fried chicken, having an afro, talking loud at the movies, even if I was naive to the stereotypes that exist about black people, it would still be fair to call the comic I wrote racist.\nFurthermore, people who enjoy problematic media are not bad. Pretty much all media is problematic in some way. The problem is when people defend the problematic aspects of that media. Like, I'm a long time HP Lovecraft fan, he is a good writer, he has lots of very interesting stories and concepts that I enjoy reading. He also also undeniably racist, and his work definitely reflects that. I don't defend the racism, and I don't try to justify it as a product of his time. Would I still recommend people read his work? Absolutely. But I would probably warn people like \"hey his prose and narrative framing is enjoyable to read but it is straight up racist at times.\"", ">\n\nThe word \"racism\", like most words, has multiple definitions. Would someone who wrote a comic like that have racist intentions? Probably, but it's impossible to ever actually prove so without them admitting it because we can't read minds. Would it make some people, including black people, feel like it's racist? Almost certainly, but some people genuinely think all sorts of absurd things are racist, so that on its own doesn't mean much. But the definition I think that's most meaningful, when asking if a piece of media specifically is racist is \"does it inspire anyone to behave in a racist manner in real life?\" Maybe your hypothetical comic would, but I haven't seen any antisemites who cite JK Rowling as an inspiration for their beliefs (and I've seen plenty of transphobes who do), so since you can't prove a negative, that means it's not accurate to call the goblins antisemitic.", ">\n\nI think a better metric than \"does this make people racist\" is \"does the affirm the already held beliefs of existing racists\" in my example, the writer can be naive as to the racial connotations and still write something that resonates with racists, unintentionally.", ">\n\n\nI think a better metric than \"does this make people racist\" is \"does the affirm the already held beliefs of existing racists\" in my example, the writer can be naive as to the racial connotations and still write something that resonates with racists, unintentionally.\n\nThat would eliminate a lot of good work because racists are stupid.\nFamously, Republicans and Democrats both equally liked Stephen Colbert despite him explicitly making a caricature of the right.\nDemocrats thought he was making fun of the right.\nAnd Republicans thought he was making fun of the left's image of the right.\nBoth enjoyed his show.\nAnd Dave Chappelle quit his show because he heard a white guy laugh too loudly at one of his jokes. But that doesnt mean his show wasn't still incredible biting social commentary. It just means idiots can misinterpret art.", ">\n\n\nIt is my understanding of the concept of bigotry that if a book is \"overtly antisemitic\", and a Jewish person reads it cover-to-cover and doesn't realize it's antisemitic, they're really, really stupid.\n\nWhere is it contained in the concept of bigotry that either the bigotry must be immediately obvious? And why would it follow that because a piece of media has an offensive aspect that therefore people can't enjoy it at all even if it were immediately obvious?\nThe simple thing is that the goblins correlate very closely to a lot of historically racist/anti-Semitic ideas and attitudes that I can't believe JK Rowling would be unaware of. That's why people criticise it.", ">\n\nWhy single out goblins and hp then? Give me a sentient non human fantasy race and il give you the bigoted caricature of real life culture it resembles.", ">\n\nGoblins in Harry Potter are singled out because that's what OP made a thread about. Harry Potter is definitely not the only example of problematic depictions of goblins, and I'm sure there are other problematic creatures in fantasy. If there's some other depiction that you think is either problematic, or unfairly called problematic, make your own CMV post! But don't ask \"why single out goblins and hp\" in a comment on a thread titled \"the goblins in the Harry Potter books aren't antisemitic\" :)", ">\n\nWhat meant is that they're singled out by the controversy that inspired this cmv, not necessarily the people replying to this cmv. \nAnd yeah the big one is probably orcs. They map on to racist caricatures of plack people just as well as goblins of hp map onto caricatures of Jewish people. And they are far more ubiquitous in fantasy, yet I don't see anyone being outraged over it.", ">\n\nErm, I'm not Jewish, and I definitely remember reading the books when they came out and cringing at the goblins hitting so many \"awful Jewish stereotype\" notes....\nI'm assuming that Jewish people noticed that too. Do you really think no one reads things that have negative stereotypes of their group in them? I'm a woman and I've read books where I've flat out yelled at the book for some idiotic female stereotyping. Some of them even books that I otherwise really enjoyed.", ">\n\n\nJust like JKR named an Asian student Cho Chang, she can have blindspots in terms of her use of fantasy tropes that lean into certain forms of bigotry.\n\nI always find the critiques of the names so narrowly focused and don't look at the rest of the characters.\nLike is Cho Chang a very basic and reductive name? Sure.\nBut so is Seamus Finnegan for an irish kid. \nand same for basically anyone in the story that wasn't straight english. It was basically to let the audience know where these characters origins were from.\nAnd lets look at some other basic names.\nDraco Malfoy means bad trusting snake.\nAnd Severus Snape once again sounds like an evil snake man.\nAnd Remus Lupin means wolf moon.\nHarry Potter was a children's series with very basic names that give you an immediate sense of who these characters are. Reading too deep into them just seems asinine", ">\n\nI don't understand this argument. It seems to be saying a work of art can't be racist if it's translated into the language of the supposed target of racism. It's like saying an anime can't have racist depictions of black people in it because the anime was translated into English and a lot of black people like the show. I sort of see where this is coming from, but I don't see how this works.", ">\n\nI think the most neutral way of putting it would be to say the goblins in hp are coded as antisemitic Jewish caricatures.\nNow is that itself antisemitic? I guess that's debatable. They aren't explisetly Jewish but in that case are the crows from Dumbo not racist just because they aren't black humans?", ">\n\nI would guess that if you asked the people who made that movie when they made in the 1940s, they would say \"yeah, the crows are supposed to be black people\", and if you asked racists in the audience, they would say \"yeah, the crows are supposed to be black people\", but I can't ask them because they're all dead, but whether or not the crows in Dumbo are racist doesn't matter to me personally and whether the goblins in harry potter are does, because I regularly see people say \"the goblins in harry potter are antisemitic, therefore you're a bad person if you like harry potter\" by people who are very obviously just always thought Harry Potter was bad for apolitical reasons and found it frustrating when it was super popular so targeting people for liking it now that it's fallen from grace because its creator did shitty things is cathartic for them. I obviously can't prove all of their motivations, so I'm focusing on the part that is provable.", ">\n\nWell I think the goblins are at best problematic, Rowling is kinda a piece of shit and the books/movies themselves are fine there is noting wrong with liking them (I guess unless you like them because they support your views on Jewish conspiracies and/or you what to support Rowling weird anti trans campaign)\nJust because you like something that does not mean others have to be wrong about why they dislike it.", ">\n\nRowling is a piece of shit, and \"problematic\" is a perfectly accurate descriptor for them, because all it means is \"someone has a problem with this\", which applies to basically anything.", ">\n\nI grew up in Israel. While I'm not much of a Harry Potter fan, I have read some of the books and am familiar with the goblins.\nA young Israeli reading the books in Hebrew would not likely have viewed the goblins as being caricatures of Jewish people, and if they did recognize the connection they may have assumed that they were imagining something that isn't there.\nIsraelis, by and large, are not exposed to antisemitism and antisemitic tropes in their daily lives. These are things that they learn about in school, but they seem largely academic and silly because they don't correspond to anything they perceive in the real world around them. They mainly interact with other Israelis, and while they may have negative stereotypes about themselves, none of these stereotypes correspond to any of the well known antisemitic caricatures.\nIt's similar to an American reading a book about a country of bloodthirsty, torture loving, brutes who live in abject squalor (such as Mordor in Lord of the Rings) and not recognizing the North Korean propoganda view of the US.\nI'd also point out that the works of known and unrepentant antisemites like Roald Dahl enjoy popularity in Israel and don't raise any real objections.\nJewish people living elsewhere have different experiences of course.", ">\n\ni got no idea what yall on but it looks fun", ">\n\nThey correspond to a suspiciously large amount of antisemitic stereotypes for it to have been innocent.\nBeing translated into Hebrew doesn't mean anything, there are Hebrew translations of all sorts of antisemitic stuff for the sole reason that Hebrew speakers have a right to read and understand it\nThe fact of the matter is that the Goblins didn't have to even exist, Rowling chose to make a special race to handle banking. Their omission doesn't change the plot much at all. There's no reason the wizards can't handle their own banking.", ">\n\n\nAll 7 Harry Potter books have been officially translated into Hebrew, and Philosopher's Stone has been translated into Yiddish, the first edition of which sold out in 48 hours. It is my understanding of the concept of bigotry that if a book is \"overtly antisemitic\", and a Jewish person reads it cover-to-cover and doesn't realize it's antisemitic, they're really, really stupid. \nI am not arguing in favor of the moral character of J.K. Rowling as a person\n\nSince we're not arguing whether Rowling is intentionally antisemitic, couldn't we still consider the goblins to have been unintentionally antisemitic? That would allow us to acknowledge the unfortunate strong similarities between classic anti-Jewish imagery and Rowling's goblins, while at the same time refrain from accusing her from wrongdoing in that respect.", ">\n\nIt looks like all the things you describe by definition only apply to intentional antisemitism. I'm saying that it could be seen as unintentional.", ">\n\nEither you have to prove intention, or you have to prove harm. You've already admitted you can't prove intention, and no antisemites have cited harry potter as an inspiration for their beliefs, so you can't prove harm. All you can prove is that it looks like other things that are both intentional and harmful, but if someone swings at you with a wooden sword, it's not OK to shoot them dead because it looked like a real sword.", ">\n\nUnintentional antisemitism obviously won't have harm; that would be a category error.\nIt would be unintentional in the same sense as if e.g. a toddler were to call a Black person the n-word. It would not be considered harmful either, but one can still call it unintentionally racist.", ">\n\nThe way I see it, racism has to have either intent or impact. Something that uses symbols associated with racism, but has neither, like a toddler saying the N word, isn't racist." ]

[ "I mean, no I don't think the goblins were intended to disparage Jewish people nor that JK Rowling is personally antisemitic and deliberately sought to write characters that played into a myriad of Jewish stereotypes.\nHowever, that doesn't change the fact that the goblins in Harry Potter absolutely do play into tons of old anti-semitic stereotypes about Jewish people. They are hunched, ugly, larged-nosed secretive and insular people who basically control the finances of the entire wizarding world. They have strange cultural practices that are viewed with suspicion by everyone else. They literally hoard gold. And while they aren't portrayed as explicitly evil or anything, they also are definitely not portrayed as the good guys.\nSo while the goblins are overtly and intentionally anti-semitic, they are at best a clumsy amalgamation of stereotypes that would have probably been avoided by a more thoughtful and considerate author than Rowling. As to whether having them in the books actually does harm, I have no idea, but I don't think it's good.", ">\n\nSounds like the real antisemites are the people who think that just because goblins run the banking system in HP, then they must be equivalent to Jews.", ">\n\nOnly if you think we can't point out similarities to preexisting stereotypes without endorsing those stereotypes.", ">\n\nIt's an endorsement because you're repeating it as if it's some sort of fact.\nI wonder if you've even read the books, because there's nothing whatsoever in there that links goblins to Jewish people.", ">\n\nI have read the books and seen the movies. The goblins aren't Jewish, I am aware of that. But if you don't think hooked-nosed, insular, secretive greedy moneylenders don't have parallels to anti-semitic stereotypes, then I don't really know what to tell you.", ">\n\nAnd where do their long fingers and long feet, dwarfish height, expert metalsmithing, and the concept of goblin ownership fit into this theory of yours? \nYou're painting a caricature of the goblins anyway, their portrayal in the books is much more interesting than your summary.", ">\n\nI didn't realize something had to be literally one-to-one perfectly identical to known racist stereotypes before I was allowed to point it out?\nAgain, as I alluded to in my top level comment, I think it was just Rowling being lazy and falling into tropes about goblins and moneylenders. Her failure to catch the similarities to stereotypes of Jewish people is worthy of criticism, but doesn't mean the books are bad nor is it even close to the biggest criticism of Rowling or her work that can be made.", ">\n\nOk, so, Jew here, to get that out of the way.\nLots of Jews, because we tend culturally to value the arts, have copies of Shakespeare in their homes.\nThat does not make the portrait of Shylock not anti-Semitic (regardless of the authorial intent, I recognize that there is an argument that the Bard was critiquing the anti-Semitism of his time, but times change).\nThat the Merchant of Venice has been translated to Hebrew or that it has been performed in Israel to sell out crowds doesn't change the fact that Shylock is a highly problematic character.\nHere's the thing people don't get about minorities: we get that bigotry against us is kind of culturally normative. While we tend to call out problematic instances of bigotry, we basically tolerate day-to-day offenses our entire lives.\nIf we limited ourselves to entertainment that presented no issues of bigotry or appropriation, our choices would be pretty damn limited.\nJust because something is obviously anti-Semitic doesn't mean it isn't often overlooked if that anti-Semitism is a relatively minor instance of day-to-day bigotry, or is itself a \"baked-in\" part of some genre.", ">\n\n\nHere's the thing people don't get about minorities: we get that bigotry against us is kind of culturally normative. While we tend to call out problematic instances of bigotry, we basically tolerate day-to-day offenses our entire lives. \nIf we limited ourselves to entertainment that presented no issues of bigotry or appropriation, our choices would be pretty damn limited.\n\nJust underlining this. I think this is the key point that OP doesn't understand", ">\n\nWhy are you treating Harry Potter as some kinda black box? Like, you can't look at the text directly, but rather have to send Jews through the text and see what happens on the other side. If the goblins have a bunch of antisemitic tropes, then that's true whether or not you've heard anything from Israelis. And the same applies from the opposite direction if it's not antisemitic. The text is the text.", ">\n\nIf that's true, is it possible for something to bigoted even if no one of the group it's supposed to be bigoted against thinks so?", ">\n\nIt'd be rather unlikely, but it's not like you're polling all Jews. You're just doing this weird third hand thing where Jewish attitudes are a proxy for the text, and your vague vibes about Israeli opinion are a proxy for Jewish attitudes. And the text is right there, with the criticism sitting next to it, some of which is invariably coming from Jews, and all these bonus steps between us and that reality seem to just be mystifying what would otherwise be a rather straightforward process.", ">\n\nSome Jews have said it is antisemitic, yes. Some Jews say criticism of the government policies of Israel is antisemitic. Some black people say the notion that they aren't the real descendants of the ancient Israelites is racist. The world is a big place, and a lot of people are dumb, so you can find people of all backgrounds and demographics who believe all sorts of wildly untrue things. But if \"anyone of the relevant demographic says is bigoted is\" isn't a valid definition of bigotry, what is? Well, let's try a few and see if Harry Potter fits any of them. Firstly, does it directly harm people for being in a certain group, like a lynch mob or a concentration camp? Obviously, printed Harry Potter books aren't coming alive, flying into the houses of Jewish people, and exploding, so no. Does it directly advocate for acts that fall into the previous definition, like Mein Kampf or Birth of a Nation? The Goblins aren't literally Jews in the book, they're a separate species from humans, so no. Well then, does it encourage people to commit acts that fall into the first two definitions, even if not by overt advocacy? Well, you can say that it might in theory, but you can't prove a negative, the burden of proof lies on the accuser, so can we actually find any anti-semites who say that Harry Potter made them antisemitic? I haven't, and I've certainly seen people who say that JK Rowling's post-HP book statements about trans people made them transphobic. So then, the only criterion remaining is \"do some people of the affected group somewhere consider it bigoted?\", which as previously established is a bad definition because it includes things that are patently absurd. Do you have another criteria in mind for determining if something is racist?", ">\n\nThe, \"Some people in the group think it's bigoted,\" thing was your criteria. I'm the one that thinks you should just check the text. And, along those lines, your argument for the second point, that goblins are not literally Jews, seems pretty bad. Like, no, they're not literally Jews. They just embody a lot.of antisemitic tropes. \nYour evaluation of the claim of bigotry seems super limited. You don't have to be performing or encouraging a literal genocide to be bigoted. It's sufficient to, say, stereotype a group of people. Does such a thing necessarily encourage violence? No. It expresses negative attitudes anyway. And the goblins, from what I've seen, play into some antisemitic tropes.", ">\n\nWhen you accuse someone of wrongdoing, you have to either prove intent, or prove harm. JK Rowling hasn't come out and said \"the goblins are supposed to be Jews\" so you can't prove intent, and no antisemites have said \"Harry Potter is what made me realize that the Jews run the world and need to be dealt with\", so you can't prove harm.", ">\n\nNo, neither of those are a particularly good way of evidencing bigotry in a text. Intent is largely unknowable. As you say, the closest we could plausibly come is her just telling us her intent, and even then it wouldn't fully illuminate the text. Death of the author is a rather important thing. Impact too, harm, is largely unknowable. I have no idea what impact the books had on antisemitism. Neither do you. Moreover, it's rather irrelevant. Would Mein Kampf cease to be antisemitic, or even be less so, if the book had languished in obscurity? Or been popular but not persuasive? As to intent, what if Hitler had told us his intent was not any animus towards Jews? Would these pieces of information combine to make the work not antisemitic?\nYou keep trying to work with proxies. Things outside the text that might tell us the answer to these questions. But the answers are within the text. Any claim that the book is antisemitic should begin and end within the books. External texts can be pertinent in that they are a handy reference guide for how antisemitism functions, but even there, you are comparing those reference points to the text, Harry Potter. If you don't think the books are antisemitic, tell me what about the arguments that it is, arguments located within the text, are unpersuasive.", ">\n\n.. An entire nation speaks Hebrew, that nation has lots of racist media and culture including antisemitic stuff, just like any nation in the world. \nI live in the US and I have watched plenty of japanese anime with anti-American stereotype characters in it that was translated into English. Lots of American entertainment features anti-American stereotype characters.\nYour idea that a country will never allow anything that is racist or against people like themselves to exist, or that no one will try to translate things in to such a language, is just wrong on it's face. It provides no evidence for your view.", ">\n\nWe take translated anime with anti-American stereotypes a lot less seriously because no one has ever orchestrated a genocide against white Americans. The same is not true of Jews.", ">\n\nDoes this not all boil down to individuals? Like any random American could be offended by anti-American stereotypes, and any random Jewish person may not be offended by anti-Jewish stereotypes. But neither of those opinions have any influence over whether the source material actually follows said stereotypes, just whether an individual finds them offensive.\nIn the case of JK Rowling's goblins, objectively speaking they hit every Jewish stereotype on the head to the point where it's difficult to make a more blatant example. Whether she intended it is impossible to know unless she admits it, and whether it's antisemitic is going to have some degree of subjectivity.", ">\n\nYet there are long established stereotypes that we've all as a whole internalized. Stereotypes about men, women, old people, all kinds of different religious and ethnic groups. Stereotypes that are often recognizable... such as the stereotype/caricature of the greedy jew.\nIf, and only if... since ive neither seen nor read harry potter... if these goblins encapsulate certain broadly recognizable jewish syereotypes... well, that is clear evidence to suggest at least some level of unconcious bias in creating the goblins. Perhaps a bias to which jk rowling is entrely blind", ">\n\nI don't think that just because a book sells well in Hebrew, it doesn't have anti-Semitic depictions. First of all, these books are meant for children. Children aren't particularly aware of tropes and stereotypes, and so won't make the connection or notice problem depictions. I know I didn't when I read the books as a kid. And because adults are not the target audience, they're less likely to even see the depictions. Secondly, Harry Potter was a global phenomenon. Popularity can often outstrip racist concerns due to people wanting to be part of the exciting thing. And in America, I feel confident a lot of Hebrew copies were for kids who also speak English, and got on the hype train from their English-speaking friends.\nLastly, people can have internal racist views that aren't as explicitly obvious, even when it's about their own race. In the US, dating sites find that non-white people often prefer dating white people over their own race. Many discriminated people have portrayed racist depictions in media like Uncle Toms, and there's literally a movie genre called blacksploitation.", ">\n\nIf you're in a reddit debate, and a bunch of people are replying to you with arguments that your response to would be something you've already posted elsewhere, is it normal to reply linking all of them to that post? I'm not sure on the ettiquite.", ">\n\nYou don't have to reply to every post.", ">\n\n\nTherefore, it follows that given various obvious facts about how the world works, any book that can be commercially published in Hebrew and Yiddish (and isn't a work of historical significance, where you're reading it to learn about how bad the author was, like Mein Kampf) can't be antisemitic. \n\nI don't think this follows at all! Antisemitism was the norm for much of the history of the written word. Many works throughout history have included antisemitic portrayals and still been translated into Hebrew- The Canterbury Tales, The Merchant of Venice, Oliver Twist just to name a few off the top of my head. \n\"There would never be a Hebrew translation of an antisemitic book\" is far from obvious and requires a lot more support to be accepted as a premise than just stating it.", ">\n\nThat's a fair point and disproves the original argument, but I've already refined that argument into a better argument which you can see in my other posts.", ">\n\nThe goblins follow a lot of antisemitic stereotypes, even if it is accidental. Like, if I wrote a comic about a black person eating fried chicken, having an afro, talking loud at the movies, even if I was naive to the stereotypes that exist about black people, it would still be fair to call the comic I wrote racist.\nFurthermore, people who enjoy problematic media are not bad. Pretty much all media is problematic in some way. The problem is when people defend the problematic aspects of that media. Like, I'm a long time HP Lovecraft fan, he is a good writer, he has lots of very interesting stories and concepts that I enjoy reading. He also also undeniably racist, and his work definitely reflects that. I don't defend the racism, and I don't try to justify it as a product of his time. Would I still recommend people read his work? Absolutely. But I would probably warn people like \"hey his prose and narrative framing is enjoyable to read but it is straight up racist at times.\"", ">\n\nThe word \"racism\", like most words, has multiple definitions. Would someone who wrote a comic like that have racist intentions? Probably, but it's impossible to ever actually prove so without them admitting it because we can't read minds. Would it make some people, including black people, feel like it's racist? Almost certainly, but some people genuinely think all sorts of absurd things are racist, so that on its own doesn't mean much. But the definition I think that's most meaningful, when asking if a piece of media specifically is racist is \"does it inspire anyone to behave in a racist manner in real life?\" Maybe your hypothetical comic would, but I haven't seen any antisemites who cite JK Rowling as an inspiration for their beliefs (and I've seen plenty of transphobes who do), so since you can't prove a negative, that means it's not accurate to call the goblins antisemitic.", ">\n\nI think a better metric than \"does this make people racist\" is \"does the affirm the already held beliefs of existing racists\" in my example, the writer can be naive as to the racial connotations and still write something that resonates with racists, unintentionally.", ">\n\n\nI think a better metric than \"does this make people racist\" is \"does the affirm the already held beliefs of existing racists\" in my example, the writer can be naive as to the racial connotations and still write something that resonates with racists, unintentionally.\n\nThat would eliminate a lot of good work because racists are stupid.\nFamously, Republicans and Democrats both equally liked Stephen Colbert despite him explicitly making a caricature of the right.\nDemocrats thought he was making fun of the right.\nAnd Republicans thought he was making fun of the left's image of the right.\nBoth enjoyed his show.\nAnd Dave Chappelle quit his show because he heard a white guy laugh too loudly at one of his jokes. But that doesnt mean his show wasn't still incredible biting social commentary. It just means idiots can misinterpret art.", ">\n\n\nIt is my understanding of the concept of bigotry that if a book is \"overtly antisemitic\", and a Jewish person reads it cover-to-cover and doesn't realize it's antisemitic, they're really, really stupid.\n\nWhere is it contained in the concept of bigotry that either the bigotry must be immediately obvious? And why would it follow that because a piece of media has an offensive aspect that therefore people can't enjoy it at all even if it were immediately obvious?\nThe simple thing is that the goblins correlate very closely to a lot of historically racist/anti-Semitic ideas and attitudes that I can't believe JK Rowling would be unaware of. That's why people criticise it.", ">\n\nWhy single out goblins and hp then? Give me a sentient non human fantasy race and il give you the bigoted caricature of real life culture it resembles.", ">\n\nGoblins in Harry Potter are singled out because that's what OP made a thread about. Harry Potter is definitely not the only example of problematic depictions of goblins, and I'm sure there are other problematic creatures in fantasy. If there's some other depiction that you think is either problematic, or unfairly called problematic, make your own CMV post! But don't ask \"why single out goblins and hp\" in a comment on a thread titled \"the goblins in the Harry Potter books aren't antisemitic\" :)", ">\n\nWhat meant is that they're singled out by the controversy that inspired this cmv, not necessarily the people replying to this cmv. \nAnd yeah the big one is probably orcs. They map on to racist caricatures of plack people just as well as goblins of hp map onto caricatures of Jewish people. And they are far more ubiquitous in fantasy, yet I don't see anyone being outraged over it.", ">\n\nErm, I'm not Jewish, and I definitely remember reading the books when they came out and cringing at the goblins hitting so many \"awful Jewish stereotype\" notes....\nI'm assuming that Jewish people noticed that too. Do you really think no one reads things that have negative stereotypes of their group in them? I'm a woman and I've read books where I've flat out yelled at the book for some idiotic female stereotyping. Some of them even books that I otherwise really enjoyed.", ">\n\n\nJust like JKR named an Asian student Cho Chang, she can have blindspots in terms of her use of fantasy tropes that lean into certain forms of bigotry.\n\nI always find the critiques of the names so narrowly focused and don't look at the rest of the characters.\nLike is Cho Chang a very basic and reductive name? Sure.\nBut so is Seamus Finnegan for an irish kid. \nand same for basically anyone in the story that wasn't straight english. It was basically to let the audience know where these characters origins were from.\nAnd lets look at some other basic names.\nDraco Malfoy means bad trusting snake.\nAnd Severus Snape once again sounds like an evil snake man.\nAnd Remus Lupin means wolf moon.\nHarry Potter was a children's series with very basic names that give you an immediate sense of who these characters are. Reading too deep into them just seems asinine", ">\n\nI don't understand this argument. It seems to be saying a work of art can't be racist if it's translated into the language of the supposed target of racism. It's like saying an anime can't have racist depictions of black people in it because the anime was translated into English and a lot of black people like the show. I sort of see where this is coming from, but I don't see how this works.", ">\n\nI think the most neutral way of putting it would be to say the goblins in hp are coded as antisemitic Jewish caricatures.\nNow is that itself antisemitic? I guess that's debatable. They aren't explisetly Jewish but in that case are the crows from Dumbo not racist just because they aren't black humans?", ">\n\nI would guess that if you asked the people who made that movie when they made in the 1940s, they would say \"yeah, the crows are supposed to be black people\", and if you asked racists in the audience, they would say \"yeah, the crows are supposed to be black people\", but I can't ask them because they're all dead, but whether or not the crows in Dumbo are racist doesn't matter to me personally and whether the goblins in harry potter are does, because I regularly see people say \"the goblins in harry potter are antisemitic, therefore you're a bad person if you like harry potter\" by people who are very obviously just always thought Harry Potter was bad for apolitical reasons and found it frustrating when it was super popular so targeting people for liking it now that it's fallen from grace because its creator did shitty things is cathartic for them. I obviously can't prove all of their motivations, so I'm focusing on the part that is provable.", ">\n\nWell I think the goblins are at best problematic, Rowling is kinda a piece of shit and the books/movies themselves are fine there is noting wrong with liking them (I guess unless you like them because they support your views on Jewish conspiracies and/or you what to support Rowling weird anti trans campaign)\nJust because you like something that does not mean others have to be wrong about why they dislike it.", ">\n\nRowling is a piece of shit, and \"problematic\" is a perfectly accurate descriptor for them, because all it means is \"someone has a problem with this\", which applies to basically anything.", ">\n\nI grew up in Israel. While I'm not much of a Harry Potter fan, I have read some of the books and am familiar with the goblins.\nA young Israeli reading the books in Hebrew would not likely have viewed the goblins as being caricatures of Jewish people, and if they did recognize the connection they may have assumed that they were imagining something that isn't there.\nIsraelis, by and large, are not exposed to antisemitism and antisemitic tropes in their daily lives. These are things that they learn about in school, but they seem largely academic and silly because they don't correspond to anything they perceive in the real world around them. They mainly interact with other Israelis, and while they may have negative stereotypes about themselves, none of these stereotypes correspond to any of the well known antisemitic caricatures.\nIt's similar to an American reading a book about a country of bloodthirsty, torture loving, brutes who live in abject squalor (such as Mordor in Lord of the Rings) and not recognizing the North Korean propoganda view of the US.\nI'd also point out that the works of known and unrepentant antisemites like Roald Dahl enjoy popularity in Israel and don't raise any real objections.\nJewish people living elsewhere have different experiences of course.", ">\n\ni got no idea what yall on but it looks fun", ">\n\nThey correspond to a suspiciously large amount of antisemitic stereotypes for it to have been innocent.\nBeing translated into Hebrew doesn't mean anything, there are Hebrew translations of all sorts of antisemitic stuff for the sole reason that Hebrew speakers have a right to read and understand it\nThe fact of the matter is that the Goblins didn't have to even exist, Rowling chose to make a special race to handle banking. Their omission doesn't change the plot much at all. There's no reason the wizards can't handle their own banking.", ">\n\n\nAll 7 Harry Potter books have been officially translated into Hebrew, and Philosopher's Stone has been translated into Yiddish, the first edition of which sold out in 48 hours. It is my understanding of the concept of bigotry that if a book is \"overtly antisemitic\", and a Jewish person reads it cover-to-cover and doesn't realize it's antisemitic, they're really, really stupid. \nI am not arguing in favor of the moral character of J.K. Rowling as a person\n\nSince we're not arguing whether Rowling is intentionally antisemitic, couldn't we still consider the goblins to have been unintentionally antisemitic? That would allow us to acknowledge the unfortunate strong similarities between classic anti-Jewish imagery and Rowling's goblins, while at the same time refrain from accusing her from wrongdoing in that respect.", ">\n\nIt looks like all the things you describe by definition only apply to intentional antisemitism. I'm saying that it could be seen as unintentional.", ">\n\nEither you have to prove intention, or you have to prove harm. You've already admitted you can't prove intention, and no antisemites have cited harry potter as an inspiration for their beliefs, so you can't prove harm. All you can prove is that it looks like other things that are both intentional and harmful, but if someone swings at you with a wooden sword, it's not OK to shoot them dead because it looked like a real sword.", ">\n\nUnintentional antisemitism obviously won't have harm; that would be a category error.\nIt would be unintentional in the same sense as if e.g. a toddler were to call a Black person the n-word. It would not be considered harmful either, but one can still call it unintentionally racist.", ">\n\nThe way I see it, racism has to have either intent or impact. Something that uses symbols associated with racism, but has neither, like a toddler saying the N word, isn't racist.", ">\n\nWell yeah, that's why it's called unintentionally racist. It's in the name. Unconscious biases can also lead to unintentional racism.\nWhile it isn't harm, the fact that there are such strong similarities between classic anti-Jewish imagery and Rowling's goblins is still unfortunate and disappointing. The \"unintentionality\" is the only thing that absolves her. If Rowling were to write a different fantasy story now, disconnected from the existing wizarding world, I think that it should be expected that (knowing what she knows now) she refrain from ever using similar imagery again." ]

[]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things.." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's..." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg", ">\n\nUh, because the last war on drugs was so successful? Does Mexico want our help? I’m all for helping central and South America to become more stable, but we don’t have a very good track record for doing that via military intervention." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg", ">\n\nUh, because the last war on drugs was so successful? Does Mexico want our help? I’m all for helping central and South America to become more stable, but we don’t have a very good track record for doing that via military intervention.", ">\n\nLike that worked with the war on drugs idiots" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg", ">\n\nUh, because the last war on drugs was so successful? Does Mexico want our help? I’m all for helping central and South America to become more stable, but we don’t have a very good track record for doing that via military intervention.", ">\n\nLike that worked with the war on drugs idiots", ">\n\n2 million firearms crossed from the United States border illegally into Mexico over the last 10 years. cut off the flow of arms and ammunition. lots of the guns are stolen from peoples homes and is organized. people at the gun range writing down license plates and following them back to their homes and robbing them when they are at work. gun stickers on cars is another one that says hey i've got a gun in my car or home. posting on social media about your gun collection is a good way to get robbed, bolting your gun safe to the floor is another good one and buy a real safe and not a cheap one. go after the straw purchasers by automating the log books at the gun store would turn up the bad guys. setup government taxed drugs like they do with weed and that removes the money from the fire." ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg", ">\n\nUh, because the last war on drugs was so successful? Does Mexico want our help? I’m all for helping central and South America to become more stable, but we don’t have a very good track record for doing that via military intervention.", ">\n\nLike that worked with the war on drugs idiots", ">\n\n2 million firearms crossed from the United States border illegally into Mexico over the last 10 years. cut off the flow of arms and ammunition. lots of the guns are stolen from peoples homes and is organized. people at the gun range writing down license plates and following them back to their homes and robbing them when they are at work. gun stickers on cars is another one that says hey i've got a gun in my car or home. posting on social media about your gun collection is a good way to get robbed, bolting your gun safe to the floor is another good one and buy a real safe and not a cheap one. go after the straw purchasers by automating the log books at the gun store would turn up the bad guys. setup government taxed drugs like they do with weed and that removes the money from the fire.", ">\n\nYou can not invade another county, ass hat!" ]

[ "This is so late 19th century\nAmended from 18th.", ">\n\n1917 wasn't that long ago.", ">\n\n20th Century, baby.", ">\n\n\"Congressman Mike Waltz doesn't understand national sovereignty, or at least assumes his voter base doesn't.\"", ">\n\nHe’s from Florida so there’s about a 90% chance that assumption is correct.", ">\n\nCan we just send the fox news brigade? 2 birds. One stone.", ">\n\nI would love to see the likes of Sean Hannity and Tucker Carlson do something that actually resembles serving their country instead of the gas lighting they do each and time they are on the air! \nSince they seem to have all the answers on how to fix America, they should get off their asses, go out into the world, and get their hands nice and dirty then lets see if they don't change their perspective on how things really are instead of from their protective lair.", ">\n\nOkay, how does Mexico feel about it? Cause I don't mind the idea of the Mexican government controlling their own territory again. But I'm not for it without their support.", ">\n\nFar from consensus really. The cartel is one of the biggest employers in Mexico and it's certainly one of the best employers as such many Mexicans idolize and fantasize about being a narco and the narcos enjoy a defacto societal acceptance by way of this idolization.\nYet, the cartel also has to do a bunch of really bad shit so lots of Mexicans hate them.\nIn any event, the answer is to legalize all drugs, tax their use and create safe use sites and drug rehabilitation centers. Sending arms and soldiers to Mexico will just push the war on drugs to another country, it won't mean less drugs or drug use in the states.\nIt just means it destroys more Americans lives and we ostracize our neighbors to the south.\nAn arms and spending race against an entrenched guerilla army is a horrible horrible horrible horrible idea", ">\n\nAttacking drug terrorists in urban settings with sympathetic citizens (or those deathly afraid to cooperate with US) and access to an unlimited supply of weapons and money?\nFuck it, maybe we’ll get it right this time.", ">\n\nI got a better idea, use the same money for the military to fix the social and economic problems that drive individuals to desire drugs, decriminalize drugs and provide services to those with issues the help they need. Heck, legalize and strictly control those drugs.... Why do we have to explain this to people and politicians, is nobody paying attention anymore?", ">\n\nYou know the wild thing? We literally don't need to reduce the military budget to do this. We could just stop actively making it worse because of certain policies and laws.", ">\n\nThe stupid thing is that just decriminalizing drug use, and releasing and exponging records of individuals with use records and providing them with the cash that would have gone to the military for a cartel war would have a more appreciable effect on drug use. Suppression of coping and coping aids is just ignorance or arrogance, or worse, ideology.", ">\n\nMexico is a bit sensitive to US intervention given that one time we conquered their country and kept half of it.", ">\n\nLegit question: has there been any other conflicts that resulted in a larger land acquisition than the Mexican cession and the Texas annexation? At least in modern history", ">\n\nDoes the expansion of the U.S.S.R as a result of defacto control of their neighbors post WW2 count?\nAlso opium wars basically flattened China and England claiming India.", ">\n\nYeah but India was conquered piece by piece over a long period of time that took Multiple wars.", ">\n\nIt took multiple wars but they gained access to most of Indian wealth after the first conflict.\nMy other ones remain... also England probably for a couple of other things..", ">\n\nAre they a Clear and Present Danger to the US?", ">\n\nI have no recollection of that.", ">\n\nDon't hurt the drugs", ">\n\namerica cannot even stop insurgent groups in its own country. what are they going to do with the cartels?", ">\n\nI’m good with having a debate about it if the Mexican government is asking for help. Even then I’m not sure it’s a wise idea, but we definitely shouldn’t unilaterally invade Mexico.", ">\n\nYou say we should invade Mexico?", ">\n\nYes, but only unimedially.", ">\n\nCool. \nAnd he’s going to bring declaration of war to the floor of Congress for a vote?\nOr don’t they understand the Constitution?", ">\n\nThat hasn't mattered since WWII", ">\n\nTranslation: wants US to start wars.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it they totally should. It removes the possibility of revenge attacks on local civilians and the cops dont have to hide their faces. Put a Mexican Army official in charge of them if sovereignty is an issue.", ">\n\n\nPut a Mexican Army official in charge \n\nExcept\n\nWe've learned that despite being tasked with fighting the drug war, some of [the Mexican military's] soldiers sold weapons to the cartels. We've learned that they suggested - that the military suggests legislation, that the military keeps statistics on murders and that they run surveillance on airports. We found that they keep dossiers on politicians and environmental activists, anarchists and feminists.\n...\nPresident Lopez Obrador has admitted that the documents were real, but he shrugged it off. The defense minister actually refused an invitation by Parliament to testify about this. But what's important to note is that this is coming at a time when this president has given the military a lot more power, and it comes when, through other reports, we've learned that the military was also involved in the killing of 43 college students in 2014. Yet the president continues to tell the Mexican people that the only institution that can be trusted is the military.\n\nThis would be Afghanistan 2.0, with the slight advantage that we won't have as far to ship the caskets home", ">\n\nI doubt cartels have significant Anti Air capabilites. Targeted assassinations could be a thing. Plenty of space between occupying Mexico and helping with the worst of the worst.", ">\n\nI honestly don’t know, how many planes, helicopters, drones, and missiles did the USA have shot down while in Afghanistan? I don’t think anti air was really a concern.", ">\n\nI'm sorry I meant if they gave the US the location of a production facility we could level it without issue. Rain fire from the sky, be home for dinner. Crippling their ability to produce money will help with corruption.", ">\n\nYup, and how many innocent women and children would be slaughtered in the process?\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think they don't/won't start keeping their families at target locations just like happened in the Middle East.\nAfghanistan 2.0", ">\n\nI guess we will see. Do the Mexican people want to live under Tribal warlords? Is this just how it is? (shrugs)", ">\n\nNot an American, but I'd be okay with this--so long as Americans agree AND Mexico invites you in.", ">\n\nWe don't need the US military, what would really help would be for them to stop selling weapons to the cartels.", ">\n\nHow naive. How FUCKING infantile.\nYou don’t think the Mexican government has tried military force against the Cartels? They have battled the cartels with military force for decades. It kills civilians and doesn’t put a dent in the cartels.\nAll cartel members could die today. Within a week the void would he filled by new people.\nAs long as drugs are illegal in the US, and as long as Americans need their fucking coke and heroin, Mexico will have violent drug cartels that are wealthier and better armed than their federal government.\nOnly way to end the drug wars is to legalize drugs. An outrageous, far left extremist assertion these days that people will only realize was a sensible suggestion decades later.", ">\n\nWe're not the god damn world police! If the Mexican Government asked for help, sure let's go help them. Until then, it's not our responsibility.", ">\n\nSomeone just watched Sicario 2.", ">\n\nThey need to watch Hell first b4 getting into other countries business. As tex said it perfectly fix your collective shit b4 making your galaxy a more interesting place to live in.", ">\n\nAssuming a parallel universe wherein Mexico asked the US to invade, how does Mr Republican propose that we pay for this? Remember that the R’s want to abolish the IRS, shift the consumer-based tax burden to the low-income group, and cut military spending, who pays for this?", ">\n\nNitpicking over words here but it wouldn’t be an “invasion” if Mexico asks the US to help and we do. It would be a joint special military operation (in the non-ironic sense, unlike Russia lol)", ">\n\nYou are absolutely correct! Thanks for it. Bad choice of word on my part.", ">\n\nWho is paying Mike Waltz to say this?", ">\n\nTrump was ranting a similar video today in one of his begging for money video's...", ">\n\nJust another grift.", ">\n\nIf Mexico wants it (I think they should) I’m all for it.", ">\n\nOnly go to war when those asking for it get rid of their stocks in weapons and such.", ">\n\nAnd give the cartels an excuse to reak havoc on US soil? \nAmerica isn't ready for that and our local law enforcement will either run away or too easily acquiesce.", ">\n\nEnd the drug war! Legalize, tax and regulate drugs. That'll take away their revenue", ">\n\nWhen the only tool you have is a hammer \nButtigieg", ">\n\nUh, because the last war on drugs was so successful? Does Mexico want our help? I’m all for helping central and South America to become more stable, but we don’t have a very good track record for doing that via military intervention.", ">\n\nLike that worked with the war on drugs idiots", ">\n\n2 million firearms crossed from the United States border illegally into Mexico over the last 10 years. cut off the flow of arms and ammunition. lots of the guns are stolen from peoples homes and is organized. people at the gun range writing down license plates and following them back to their homes and robbing them when they are at work. gun stickers on cars is another one that says hey i've got a gun in my car or home. posting on social media about your gun collection is a good way to get robbed, bolting your gun safe to the floor is another good one and buy a real safe and not a cheap one. go after the straw purchasers by automating the log books at the gun store would turn up the bad guys. setup government taxed drugs like they do with weed and that removes the money from the fire.", ">\n\nYou can not invade another county, ass hat!", ">\n\nWhy do we get so angry at Mexican criminals supplying us things we buy? If we didn't buy drugs cartels wouldn't exist. They're not the problem, they're a symptom." ]

[]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though..." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work..." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!", ">\n\nThe comment section on that article is pretty nutty. \"My imaginary friend can beat up you're imaginary friend\" type stuff." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!", ">\n\nThe comment section on that article is pretty nutty. \"My imaginary friend can beat up you're imaginary friend\" type stuff.", ">\n\nThere are 5 comments. What are you even talking about?" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!", ">\n\nThe comment section on that article is pretty nutty. \"My imaginary friend can beat up you're imaginary friend\" type stuff.", ">\n\nThere are 5 comments. What are you even talking about?", ">\n\nMaybe we'll find out what Poseidon used to call a Poseidon's Kiss." ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!", ">\n\nThe comment section on that article is pretty nutty. \"My imaginary friend can beat up you're imaginary friend\" type stuff.", ">\n\nThere are 5 comments. What are you even talking about?", ">\n\nMaybe we'll find out what Poseidon used to call a Poseidon's Kiss.", ">\n\nIf you find an ominously glowing golden trident there...leave it the heck alone!" ]

[ "“The area where the remains were found is prone to tsunamis which would make sense because Poseidon is the god of tsunamis”\nYou would think they would’ve thought to look there earlier", ">\n\nYou would think folks wouldnt put a temple in an area prone to tsunamis though...", ">\n\nI'd have put the temple high up on a mountain so I could call Poseidon nasty names and dare his punk ass to get me all the way up here.", ">\n\nJust for that you're not getting home for ten years.", ">\n\nYou made me weep a bit for Argos", ">\n\nHe was a good boy.", ">\n\nForget Poseidon, Where's the temple of Aphrodite?", ">\n\nTucked under the hood of the labia.", ">\n\nBut where could that be?", ">\n\nEasily the coolest of all the Greek gods, sans Hephaestus.", ">\n\nBut have they found the Poseidon Adventure?", ">\n\nIf it's not at least half a mile underwater why bother? Work harder Ancient Greeks!", ">\n\ntime for Kratos to get to work...", ">\n\nDr. Jones unavailable for comment.", ">\n\nYou can't be that hard to find, I took a picture on top of his trident in assassin's Creed Odyssey. That's basically the same thing, right?", ">\n\nAll hail our Lord Poseidon!", ">\n\nThey lost it!!?\nBut seriously, this article is garbage. They found A temple of Poseidon. There are a bunch of them in Greece.", ">\n\nThere was only one temple built for Poseidon?", ">\n\nRelease the Kraken!", ">\n\nThe comment section on that article is pretty nutty. \"My imaginary friend can beat up you're imaginary friend\" type stuff.", ">\n\nThere are 5 comments. What are you even talking about?", ">\n\nMaybe we'll find out what Poseidon used to call a Poseidon's Kiss.", ">\n\nIf you find an ominously glowing golden trident there...leave it the heck alone!", ">\n\nBlack Panther 2 vibes" ]

[]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out." ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜", ">\n\nHe's a pathological liar and confabulist of the worst kind, so I expect when he says he won't resign, he really means he has probably already written his resignation and waiting a bit to save some face." ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜", ">\n\nHe's a pathological liar and confabulist of the worst kind, so I expect when he says he won't resign, he really means he has probably already written his resignation and waiting a bit to save some face.", ">\n\nThis may be a simple answer... but can't residents of the district recall their congressperson?" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜", ">\n\nHe's a pathological liar and confabulist of the worst kind, so I expect when he says he won't resign, he really means he has probably already written his resignation and waiting a bit to save some face.", ">\n\nThis may be a simple answer... but can't residents of the district recall their congressperson?", ">\n\nNo. But they can certainly throw eggs at him if he ever shows his face in public." ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜", ">\n\nHe's a pathological liar and confabulist of the worst kind, so I expect when he says he won't resign, he really means he has probably already written his resignation and waiting a bit to save some face.", ">\n\nThis may be a simple answer... but can't residents of the district recall their congressperson?", ">\n\nNo. But they can certainly throw eggs at him if he ever shows his face in public.", ">\n\nHe faces them and says “knock knock.” And they say “whose there” and he says “anyone I want I be, my mommy that died on two different dates told me so.”" ]

[ "“He’s disgraced the House of Representatives, and we do not consider him one of our congresspeople,” Mr. Cairo said. \n\nWow, really that's all it took to disgrace the house of representatives!?", ">\n\nNot like it's taking the Republican party to a new low or anything. Just adding a bit of context to the first two paragraphs of this story,\n\nRepublican officials on Long Island, including Representative Anthony D’Esposito, [a former police officer who abused a suspect so badly they had to be hospitalized] called on Wednesday for Representative George Santos to resign, as he faces multiple inquiries into his finances, campaign spending and fabrications on the campaign trail.\nThe Nassau County party chairman, Joseph G. Cairo Jr., [who had to surrender his law license in the 1990s after he was caught stealing money from clients], said Mr. Santos, a first-term Republican, had lost the confidence of Republicans in his district, saying that Mr. Santos’s campaign was one of “deceit, lies, fabrication.”", ">\n\nDoes the Republican party specifically always pick the lowest of the low or is it just bad luck?", ">\n\nShitty people look for shitty groups that will enable them to be shitty and the groups just get shittier and shittier until eventually the rest of the world gets sick of their shit and deals with them appropriately\nSee also, many churches, most American police departments, and big chunks of entertainment industries including film music video games and social media influencing", ">\n\nSo, a couple douchebags want one douchebag to resign. Checks out.", ">\n\nIt's a real who's who of pieces of shit", ">\n\nIf George Santos was a hot “alpha-male”-type, he’d be getting a different reaction out of his colleagues", ">\n\nThe same George Santos who said he killed Hittler in hand to hand combat on the roof of one of the WTC towers on 9/11?", ">\n\nLike how Kung Fury is a true story based on his own life? 😜", ">\n\nHe's a pathological liar and confabulist of the worst kind, so I expect when he says he won't resign, he really means he has probably already written his resignation and waiting a bit to save some face.", ">\n\nThis may be a simple answer... but can't residents of the district recall their congressperson?", ">\n\nNo. But they can certainly throw eggs at him if he ever shows his face in public.", ">\n\nHe faces them and says “knock knock.” And they say “whose there” and he says “anyone I want I be, my mommy that died on two different dates told me so.”", ">\n\nhe gains nothing from resigning and the republicans arent honest enough to kick him out" ]