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So glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history."
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Okay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued? | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now."
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As an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called "democracy" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?"
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me."
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers"
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Why would America do this? | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?"
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Oh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they? | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?"
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?"
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?"
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Lovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine.
The poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.
Sure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry."
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Lol what | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve."
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Still a higher standard of living than America | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what"
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Yeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America"
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You do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers."
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is."
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Deport them where ? | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps."
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps.",
">\n\nDeport them where ?"
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The exact reverse is true for Europe. Lots of old people which don't work and are an extra burden to the working young. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps.",
">\n\nDeport them where ?",
">\n\nThat’s what happens with overpopulation"
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Real talk how do people in Portugal feel about wealthy Americans flocking there for the low cost of living? | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps.",
">\n\nDeport them where ?",
">\n\nThat’s what happens with overpopulation",
">\n\nThe exact reverse is true for Europe. Lots of old people which don't work and are an extra burden to the working young."
] |
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I'm not from Lisbon but it seems that Lisbon is the place that is most affected by this and the rest of the country doesn't seem to be affected much.
People in Lisbon complain a lot about rent prices increasing really fast over the past few years and they partly blame digital nomads for it.
Porto also feels this to some degree but not as much. | [
"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps.",
">\n\nDeport them where ?",
">\n\nThat’s what happens with overpopulation",
">\n\nThe exact reverse is true for Europe. Lots of old people which don't work and are an extra burden to the working young.",
">\n\nReal talk how do people in Portugal feel about wealthy Americans flocking there for the low cost of living?"
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"In Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash. The macroeconomic indicators are fine, but the standard of living did not come back.",
">\n\n\nIn Spain we still haven't recovered from the 2008 crash.\n\nHow bad is spain when compared to the neighboring countries? Honest question, not an european",
">\n\nIm a Spaniard from Barcelona. \nI work on an IT company, with a salary of 50k. \nI have a good live, own a Lexus, an appartment, I live with girlfriend and dog. I have to admit, I'm above the average in salary, so my view may not be representative. Yet this is my impression: \nThere's almost no difference in salary from north Spain than south of France. I've declined many french jobs there. Barcelona >>> Toulouse. But Paris is another story\nPortugal is very similar than Spain, maybe salaries are lower\nMorocco is a beautiful country, amazing people... But the gap in development index is still quite big. Its still a third world country.",
">\n\nYou’re an IT professional making 50k a year? Even with USD to EURO exchange rate thats like 25k under average. \nI don’t mean this disparagingly, but ouch brother. \nBarcelona is a beautiful city. Took a weeks vacation there this Christmas. Love Spain.",
">\n\nI would take 50k in Spain over 75k in US in a heartbeat. Free healthcare, lower life expenses in general, around 30 days of paid vacations a year, 4 months parental leave for both father and mother, better public transport infrastructure, and a much better \"social net\" (unemployment benefits, etc.) if things happen to go bad.",
">\n\nHealthcare in the US is tied to employment. I wouldn’t take my check and the great health care package I have with my 30 days PTO and 12 weeks paternity leave over European options. \nBut that’s just me. I’m not living his life and again, it’s not meant in any way disparagingly. It just seemed low, especially for an in demand skill that can net you way over 100k in the US with the right job experience.",
">\n\nYou're fucking lucky. I've worked for big companies, MSPs, CSPs, and my healthcare has been dog shit. Lucky if we got 15 days PTO. No parental leave at all.",
">\n\nWhen was that, because I used to have garbage healthcare too but the benefits given to tech workers improved massively during the COVID staffing crunch.\nMy company does 30 days pto, 6 weeks paternity, ironclad healthcare, and the craziest thing is we can bank hours we work over 40/wk and use them as extra pto, despite being salary. It's crazy how much benefits spiked in the last few years.",
">\n\nI can only afford rent and food. If I want to save up, it has to come from food, it's rather depressing.",
">\n\nIf it makes you feel better a lot of people are living the same way in America. My family is me my fiancé and our cats. We are both in our early 20’s and saving up is hard. \nFood, gas, utilities and rent is where all of our money goes and we mostly live paycheck to paycheck. We are both looking at our future more and more as time goes on. Save small amounts at a time and you will see your savings grow. \nKeep your head up and stay in the fight! No time to give up, we all should face our battles every day head on with courage.",
">\n\nEverything is getting more expensive and salaries just arent keeping up\nThere was a post on /r/ukpolitics about how most people would need a £49k salary to be comfortable... the average salary in the UK is £30k",
">\n\nI still can't wrap my head around this. £30k is roughly the equivalent of $36,500USD. in America, that's not even a starting salary for a new college graduate in a white collar position. I know things like healthcare in the UK are \"free\", but is the overall cost of living there substantially less than what it is in the US?",
">\n\nI think part of it is that rent is a lot cheaper. Back in my home town I was paying £499/month for a 1 bed apartment. Now im in a big city and am paying £650/month. \nLooking at American rent prices makes my head hurt.",
">\n\nThat's crazy. Where I live, you'll be lucky if you can find a 1 bed/1 bath for $1,200 or roughly £990.",
">\n\nIf we take £50k to make calculations easier, once you deduct taxes, pension and student loans, that leaves you with like £2800/month net income. So yeah, you can have a pretty comfortable life on that if your rent + utility bills are less than £1000/month. \nThe problem is, in the UK the cost of living gets higher and higher the closer you get to London.",
">\n\nBut the richest have improved, sacrifices must be made!",
">\n\nThe only successful business in Europe is selling overpriced handbags to rich Arabs and Chinese.\nEurope puts more weight on quality of life and wealth redistribution than anywhere on earth (vs hard work and business competitiveness). Don't be surprised if it hurts your economy and prosperity.\nEurope's problem isn't that rich people are getting too much, it's that none of it's businesses are successful anymore. Except for LVMH, the biggest European companies are either banks, which have been doing terribly for 20 years and are consistently beaten by American banks, or oil and gas, which is a business of the past for Europe. Europe has completely missed out on tech. There's just no other strong economic sector. France is slowly micromanaging all its large businesses to death. If you don't have areas of strength and economic leadership, why would Europe be wealthier than say North Africa or other middle income countries?",
">\n\nBiggest European companies include things like Nestle (yes, terrible, but European), Glencore, Airbus, Siemens, Philips, Volkswagen, ArcelorMittal, Mercedes-benz, tons of games companies (like supercell, remedy, king etc) etc.\nLVMH doesn't even make it to top 20 in revenue lol. And there aren't many banks on that list either.\nNot saying your points are wrong, but your facts are.",
">\n\nRent has increased insanely and wages have not kept up. Inflation. Lockdowns. Life has gotten very tough.",
">\n\nYup only thing to do is keep your head up and keep fighting. Those who came before us have faced even worse and come out on top. We can do this!",
">\n\nAnd 99% of the rest of the world",
">\n\nthe pandemic was always gonna have some lasting effects",
">\n\nSeriously, having a decade-shaping event launch on December 31, 2019? Terrible writing.",
">\n\nI have a small income and a very spartanic lifestyle. So I managed to put some money to the side over the years. 2022 cost me more than I earned and like 20% of those savings due to some shitty circumstances like repairs etc but also just due to living.",
">\n\n2022 I injured my spine while away from home so I had to be treated out of network from my insurance. 70k+ of hospital bills. Plus being out of work for 2 months. \nA year ago I was doing better than most Americans. Still not great but had no debt, already paid off my tiny older (350sq ft) $30,000 home. Had some savings, no retirement. I had basic financial stability.\nNow I'm getting constant collections notices and money has turned into some bullshit fantasy number that doesn't mean anything. Feels awful. I was doing things right, I had health insurance, I had savings. The game is rigged.",
">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 88%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\n46% of Europeans admit their standards of living have already decreased as a result of the mounting crises while 39% expect to see a decline sometime this year.\nThe countries where the perceived drop in living standards has been most pronounced are Cyprus, Greece, Malta, France and Portugal, the report shows.\nStill, over half of respondents say things in the EU are going in the \"Wrong direction,\" with just under a third saying things are going in the \"Right direction.\"\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: European^#1 thing^#2 lives^#3 country^#4 Ukraine^#5",
">\n\nIts all so Billionaires can continue to grow their wealth.",
">\n\nIt's for a good cause then",
">\n\nin cases like mine (single and with a stable job), hardship has come just this latest year with the rise of inflation but is only going to get worse, because even if it miraculously prices stop rising, they are already so high that it's hard to make ends meet without serious cuts to everyday expenses. Just the energy bill has doubled and mortgage payment is getting worrying. The only thing that hasn't rised is my salary.",
">\n\nIn the Netherlands, this absolutely seems to be the case. \nIt is mostly a massive divide though. People who are homeowners and can afford to invest in renewable energy, insulation, etc. are probably still on the same standard of living.\nPeople who rent, or don't have money to invest in insulation etc, are probably a little f*cked.\nIt's a growing divide between the poor and the rich.",
">\n\nSo then presumably more than half say they standards of living have increased?",
">\n\nI hope you are Joking and You know there are Obviously more than two answers, right?",
">\n\nWell, they've either declined, increased, or stayed the same. But it's almost statistically impossible for things to remain exactly the same, so really standards of living should have either increased or decreased for pretty much everyone.",
">\n\n\"More than half of Europeans say their standards of living have improved.\"",
">\n\n... or stayed the same.",
">\n\nThe other half didn’t do the survey.",
">\n\nWell yes it's quite clear. Many women turned to sex work due to living crisis",
">\n\nAm I the only one who thinks a large part of our population are being a bunch of whiny bitches? Our government gave everyone 190 euros for two months to compensate higher energy prices. And on New Year’s Eve the population lighted a record amount of fireworks. If a substantial part of the population has enough money to almost literally burn it up, we’re fine.",
">\n\nWho is \"our\" and why are you being a whiny bitch about people enjoying themselves?",
">\n\nDutch government. And people enjoying themselves is fine but if people complain about lowering standards while you keep paying more for entertainment you are a whiny bitch.",
">\n\nthe other half is too proud to admit it",
">\n\nI can take it as long it serves some purpose. Do I really need new iPhone every year?",
">\n\nWhat? Just what..? People are talking about not being able to afford food and you’re over here talking about iPhones..",
">\n\nTbf whether you go from just barely getting by to not being able to afford food or whether you go from buying a new iPhone every year to not being able to do that, both are a drop in someone's standard of living.\nEdit: you dont get to 43% of people saying their standard of living has declined without including some people above the poverty line",
">\n\nThis seems like Russian propaganda to me. I don't know why this is even news. We all knew the Russian war and covid restrictions were going to affect the entire world for a few years. Inflation = lower your standards a bit.",
">\n\nIf you are well off mabye. The worse you are off, the worse inflation impacts you, i see the lines of food banks getting bigger here in germany.",
">\n\nI'm fairly well off for the standard in Bulgaria and it's still tangible. Inflation is around 17%, but many foodstuffs have risen a lot more than that.",
">\n\n\"Take that, Putin!\"\nSanctions definitely didn't backfire.\n/s",
">\n\nThey accomplished their purpose, they significantly gripped Russia's war machine.\nA decade ago they had planned for a thousand Armata to be built before 2022. Today they have what, less thatn ten of them ? \nSince their annexion of Crimea they've been badly deprived of military electronics.\nCurrent sanctions are impacting their logistics (everything significant goes by rail in their country, and there's critical spare parts they're unable to produce themselves for their trains), their ability to extract their oil and gas...\nNot everything is being felt now but it's adding up slowly over time.\nAlso I'd say that our standards have been stagnating since 2008, Russia doesn't have much to do with it. (The subprime crisis is a factor but hides the actual issue : the world is running out of fossil fuels, peak conventional oil has been reached around that date and Europe is especially exposed to shortages of the stuff. Yeah Russia was selling us oil and gas but the cost was that we'd have to let them act like bullies all day. At some point a continent that has lived through nazism have to make a stand.)",
">\n\nRussians so far best news from the battlefield !",
">\n\n\"Welcome to the party pal\"",
">\n\nYeah, as a Swede, I've learned more about Swedish history during the poor ages. While we're not as fucked as back then, I'm still using a lot of tricks they had in that timeline. It feels weird, but at the same time, it's an odd connection with history.",
">\n\nSo glad I got a new job just have to work on getting a permanent contract. My last job pay was shit and the work was also shit. Otherwise I'd really be struggling right now.",
">\n\nOkay they say it but have things really declined or just plateaued?",
">\n\nAs an eastern european, standard of living were always low compared to the west. We just see the prices increasing at a faster rate than any other period (in my lifetime at least). Of course they have declined everywhere in europe and not only bcuz of the ongoing situation with ukraine but also bcuz of the bad politics of the so called \"democracy\" and its influence over the ex soviet states. Western countries trying to suck out the receources of the smaller ones for a chair at the Europe council (this is why I think life was always harder here, or just a way shittier start in life). Changing the regime of an ex soviet country to a democracy it's a complex process, and it's even harder to understand when corupt politicians arise like cockroaches at trash, or flies to shit, taking advantage of this situation. Many may not agree with me but i couldn't care less, only people from around this area will vibe with me.",
">\n\nBe happy. At least they aren't dealing with grad attacks and roaming killers putting them into makeshift prisons and torture chambers",
">\n\nWhat the fuck are you referencing?",
">\n\nWhy would America do this?",
">\n\nOh come on. Whiny old fucks. Oil, fuel and gas are already back to normal and 20% more for groceries is manageable. What I loath is the fucking Berlin Döner places having ramped up their prices from 4 to 6 Euros! How dare they?",
">\n\nI think you meant to add /s right?",
">\n\nI hoped it would work without it. Guess I expected too much from Reddit, sorry.",
">\n\nLovely racism there. The rich here are fine as ever. The generational wealth they stole from your ancestors and ours and the modern wealth they steal from us daily is doing just fine. \nThe poor here are often freezing to death in winter or choosing whether to eat or pay their bills this week. Most people are closer to the latter than the former and are only just able to put a roof over their heads and food in their bellies with zero margin for anything else.\nSure the Congo is worse. But this is no land of gold paved streets. We just get to stand next to the rich while we starve.",
">\n\nLol what",
">\n\nStill a higher standard of living than America",
">\n\nYeah yeah, we know your stance. Europeans are all nazi loving anti semitic colonisers.",
">\n\nYou do understand that any major attack on europe with a nuke would mean retaliation on russia from other NATO member. Russia knows what will come if they go that far which 100% means they would try an preemptive strike on the US as well. You are as safe from a nuke as europe is.",
">\n\nThey should deport all the Europeans and see if that helps.",
">\n\nDeport them where ?",
">\n\nThat’s what happens with overpopulation",
">\n\nThe exact reverse is true for Europe. Lots of old people which don't work and are an extra burden to the working young.",
">\n\nReal talk how do people in Portugal feel about wealthy Americans flocking there for the low cost of living?",
">\n\nI'm not from Lisbon but it seems that Lisbon is the place that is most affected by this and the rest of the country doesn't seem to be affected much.\nPeople in Lisbon complain a lot about rent prices increasing really fast over the past few years and they partly blame digital nomads for it.\nPorto also feels this to some degree but not as much."
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If it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that. | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty."
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"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that."
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Fair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much. | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example."
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It's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation.
"WoW" for world of warcraft and "CoD" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much."
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"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not"
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"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters."
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"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though"
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MK has caught me up a few times | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr"
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I will take it even further: Acronyms bad.
At least tell me what that darn acronym means the first time you use it. Please. | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr",
">\n\nMK has caught me up a few times"
] |
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I hate it too, and it doesn't happen just with games but with many other things. movies, TV series, anime and manga, cartoons, websites and social media, real life things regarding everyday life or specific topics. Everything gets reduced to acronyms, usually very specific and not so used, so you have to do mental gymnastic to understand what the heck are people talking about. | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr",
">\n\nMK has caught me up a few times",
">\n\nI will take it even further: Acronyms bad. \nAt least tell me what that darn acronym means the first time you use it. Please."
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Yeah I thought about this for a while. There's many such cases.
DS. Could be Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Death Stranding, Dead Space...
Or GoW. Gears of War, God of War... | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr",
">\n\nMK has caught me up a few times",
">\n\nI will take it even further: Acronyms bad. \nAt least tell me what that darn acronym means the first time you use it. Please.",
">\n\nI hate it too, and it doesn't happen just with games but with many other things. movies, TV series, anime and manga, cartoons, websites and social media, real life things regarding everyday life or specific topics. Everything gets reduced to acronyms, usually very specific and not so used, so you have to do mental gymnastic to understand what the heck are people talking about."
] |
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First game came to mind is GTA | [
"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr",
">\n\nMK has caught me up a few times",
">\n\nI will take it even further: Acronyms bad. \nAt least tell me what that darn acronym means the first time you use it. Please.",
">\n\nI hate it too, and it doesn't happen just with games but with many other things. movies, TV series, anime and manga, cartoons, websites and social media, real life things regarding everyday life or specific topics. Everything gets reduced to acronyms, usually very specific and not so used, so you have to do mental gymnastic to understand what the heck are people talking about.",
">\n\nYeah I thought about this for a while. There's many such cases.\nDS. Could be Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Death Stranding, Dead Space...\nOr GoW. Gears of War, God of War..."
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"i’m gonna play ac\n\nwait what? animal crossing or assassin’s creed?",
">\n\nFor some, those are the same game. They get an ugly villager, all of a sudden they support the death penalty.",
">\n\nIf it’s a long name like Dragon Quest XI S: Echoes of an Elusive Age - Definitive Edition, I can get it. After all, DQ11 is much easier to type than all that.",
">\n\nTrue, but I would personally just write Dragon Quest 11 for that example.",
">\n\nFair enough. People could think you’re on about Dairy Queen if you post DQ11 and then everyone would wonder why you love Dairy Queen so much.",
">\n\nIt's only an acronym if you can pronounce it as a word. TLOU or MK are not acronyms. If it can't be pronounced as a word, it's called an abbreviation. \n\"WoW\" for world of warcraft and \"CoD\" for call of duty are acronyms. MK for mortal kombat or SSBU for super smash ultimate are not",
">\n\nAn initialism is pronounced as a series of letters.",
">\n\nI type mw2 when I’m talking about modern warfare 2, because no one would mistake that for a different game and they’d know what it is. I don’t do that with any other game though",
">\n\nikr frfr",
">\n\nMK has caught me up a few times",
">\n\nI will take it even further: Acronyms bad. \nAt least tell me what that darn acronym means the first time you use it. Please.",
">\n\nI hate it too, and it doesn't happen just with games but with many other things. movies, TV series, anime and manga, cartoons, websites and social media, real life things regarding everyday life or specific topics. Everything gets reduced to acronyms, usually very specific and not so used, so you have to do mental gymnastic to understand what the heck are people talking about.",
">\n\nYeah I thought about this for a while. There's many such cases.\nDS. Could be Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, Death Stranding, Dead Space...\nOr GoW. Gears of War, God of War...",
">\n\nFirst game came to mind is GTA"
] |
As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, "gun control" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways. | [] |
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Cats out of the bag
Gats out of the bag.
As a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America.
Also isn't the term "assault weapon" basically meaningless in any legal sense? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways."
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I asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?"
] |
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For those who want to know who the other states are,
In the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives.
Unfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo"
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AKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.
Also, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a "black guns are scary" law that will be struck down by the courts. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions."
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tyrant laws
single issue voters crack me up.
I thought you guys were "States Rights" people? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts."
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State rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.
and Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?"
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common use is the line right? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited."
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The Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”
I think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?"
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Excellent. Every state should follow. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument."
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Where my states rights people at? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow."
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saying, "no not those rights" | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?"
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Which also does not infringe on the right to bare arms. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\""
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Short sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms."
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As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, "gun control" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now."
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Cats out of the bag
Gats out of the bag.
As a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America.
Also isn't the term "assault weapon" basically meaningless in any legal sense? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways."
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I asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?"
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For those who want to know who the other states are,
In the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives.
Unfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo"
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AKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.
Also, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a "black guns are scary" law that will be struck down by the courts. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions."
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tyrant laws
single issue voters crack me up.
I thought you guys were "States Rights" people? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts."
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State rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.
and Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?"
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common use is the line right? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited."
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The Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”
I think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?"
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Excellent. Every state should follow. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument."
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Where my states rights people at? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow."
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saying, "no not those rights" | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?"
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Which also does not infringe on the right to bare arms. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\""
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Short sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms."
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While gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.
Assault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now."
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For those who want to know who the other states are,
In the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives.
Unfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much."
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It's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions."
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Most states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem."
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This Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb."
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As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, "gun control" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb."
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Cats out of the bag
Gats out of the bag.
As a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America.
Also isn't the term "assault weapon" basically meaningless in any legal sense? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways."
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Also isn't the term "assault weapon" basically meaningless in any legal sense?
no. to legally ban they a legal definition was written. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?"
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Where my states rights people at? | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\n\nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?\n\nno. to legally ban they a legal definition was written."
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saying, "no not those rights" | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\n\nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?\n\nno. to legally ban they a legal definition was written.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?"
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Excellent. Every state should follow. | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\n\nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?\n\nno. to legally ban they a legal definition was written.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\""
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"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\n\nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?\n\nno. to legally ban they a legal definition was written.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow."
] |
> | [
"As someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\nI asked someone in another comment the same thing. It's broad and ambiguous but it brings an image to the mind of Rambo",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nAKA all the states where the population is flooding to Southern states without tyrant laws. Thanks.\nAlso, basic statistics show that assault weapons are not of any statisical crime significant in any of these states. Cheap and stolen handguns are. This is nothing but a \"black guns are scary\" law that will be struck down by the courts.",
">\n\n\ntyrant laws\n\nsingle issue voters crack me up.\nI thought you guys were \"States Rights\" people?",
">\n\n\nState rights don't overule the Constitution of the United States.\n\nand Heller said the 2nd amendment isn't unlimited.",
">\n\ncommon use is the line right?",
">\n\n\nThe Heller court established the “common use” test to decide how a court should determine whether particular objects, or arms, should be protected by the Second Amendment. Specifically, do the arms being legislated or regulated constitute arms in “‘common use’... for lawful purposes like self-defense.”\n\nI think you'd hard a hard time using common use for assault weapons when similar guns can do the same thing and less likely to be illegally used. A court could also throw out the common use argument.",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nWhich also does not infringe on the right to bare arms.",
">\n\nShort sleeves are still legal in all 50 states. For now.",
">\n\nWhile gun laws aren’t perfect and yes you can still buy guns in other states it is completely incorrect to say they don’t work. If you look at any viable research on the subject there is a very clear correlation between stricter gun laws and less gun violence in states.\nAssault weapon bans alone are not one of the more effective gun controls however. I don’t expect this one will help Illinois problems that much.",
">\n\nFor those who want to know who the other states are,\n\nIn the meantime, he continues to urge other states to join California, New Jersey, Connecticut, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York, Delaware, Washington, D.C. – and now, Illinois — to ban assault weapons at the state level to save lives. \n\nUnfortunately it is still incredibly easy to purchase weapons in neighboring states, which reduces the efficacy of these kinds of actions.",
">\n\nIt's still incredibly easy to purchase even within those states because they are just feature bans that only ban sale of firearms that come with said features attached, but you can buy the parts separately no problem.",
">\n\nMost states also have a ban by name, which proved pointless, so they went for feature bans. Chicago bans AR and AK pattern receivers. Feature bans are also pointless as you point out. The only difference between a mass shooter with an AR in California or Montana is the position of their thumb.",
">\n\nThis Illinois ban includes Olympic target pistols as well. This ban is dumb.",
">\n\nAs someone who leans left and who has lived in a conservative state for 26 years I can't stress enough that this is stupid. Cats out of the bag. The right needs to be checked by a armed and hard left. Sorry liberals, \"gun control\" was lost years ago. The hard right have been living in a phantom war for years and fantasize about death squads roaming freely with the support of LE and the military cleansing this country of liberals and other undesirables. Those assholes are willing to kill for their beliefs but won't die for them. The left needs to remind them that this goes both ways.",
">\n\n\nCats out of the bag\n\nGats out of the bag. \nAs a left leaning, gun hating army vet, I agree one hundred percent it is waaay too late for prohibitions in North America. \nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?",
">\n\n\nAlso isn't the term \"assault weapon\" basically meaningless in any legal sense?\n\nno. to legally ban they a legal definition was written.",
">\n\nWhere my states rights people at?",
">\n\nsaying, \"no not those rights\"",
">\n\nExcellent. Every state should follow.",
">\n\nAmerica taking a step toward civilization."
] |
It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class. | [] |
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Dude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...
Anti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class."
] |
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That’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol"
] |
>
You don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice"
] |
>
When a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town."
] |
>
Especially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong."
] |
>
It takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B."
] |
>
There's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch."
] |
>
That’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping."
] |
>
You don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice"
] |
>
The issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.
There needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town."
] |
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They might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.
The car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this."
] |
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No I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.
It’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game."
] |
>
There's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc.
But there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life."
] |
>
I fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead."
] |
>
It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff"
] |
>
Dude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...
Anti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class."
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You could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol"
] |
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Yeah, those of us with 30+ mile commutes sometimes in hurricanes can totally ride a bike to work. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nYou could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint."
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Yeah, and I was clearly saying that you, specifically, should ride a bike to work. More than half of all trips made are under 6 miles, which, as long as the infrastructure is safe enough for you to ride, is an ideal candidate for replacing the trip with a bike. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nYou could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint.",
">\n\nYeah, those of us with 30+ mile commutes sometimes in hurricanes can totally ride a bike to work."
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I was being somewhat sarcastic in my response but I actually take public transportation because it's an option. I know a shit ton of other people who don't have any option for their jobs but to travel by cars. The biggest problem surrounding transportation is city design and management, and not specifically personal choice. If you can afford to live near your workplace and ride a bike then it's great, but at least in my city the majority of people can't live close to where they work for a variety of reasons. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nYou could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint.",
">\n\nYeah, those of us with 30+ mile commutes sometimes in hurricanes can totally ride a bike to work.",
">\n\nYeah, and I was clearly saying that you, specifically, should ride a bike to work. More than half of all trips made are under 6 miles, which, as long as the infrastructure is safe enough for you to ride, is an ideal candidate for replacing the trip with a bike."
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>
Likewise, I know a shit ton of people who think they need a car but don't. In the NYC subreddit, someone mentioned my neighborhood as one where living without a car is a "hard sell", yet I haven't owned one since well before I moved here, and it's perhaps the easiest place to live car free out of anywhere I've lived before. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nYou could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint.",
">\n\nYeah, those of us with 30+ mile commutes sometimes in hurricanes can totally ride a bike to work.",
">\n\nYeah, and I was clearly saying that you, specifically, should ride a bike to work. More than half of all trips made are under 6 miles, which, as long as the infrastructure is safe enough for you to ride, is an ideal candidate for replacing the trip with a bike.",
">\n\nI was being somewhat sarcastic in my response but I actually take public transportation because it's an option. I know a shit ton of other people who don't have any option for their jobs but to travel by cars. The biggest problem surrounding transportation is city design and management, and not specifically personal choice. If you can afford to live near your workplace and ride a bike then it's great, but at least in my city the majority of people can't live close to where they work for a variety of reasons."
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I live in Houston which to me is like a slightly smaller version of Los Angeles if it were in a swamp instead of the desert, so while I'm fortunate enough to leverage some public transportation for my commute, it's not feasible for most of my other transportation needs. I can ride my bike to a few fast food places, a gas station, etc. but it's dangerous to go much further than that, including the nearest grocery store. I have kids so the schools are probably the biggest factor in where I can choose to live, otherwise I'd be back in a more dense portion of the city. | [
"It's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nWhen a country of 300 million produce more carbon than a country of 1.4 billion, something is really wrong.",
">\n\nEspecially when many of the goods we purchase are manufactured in the country of 1.4B.",
">\n\nIt takes a while to stop a freight train. It's not like flipping a switch.",
">\n\nThere's tons of underground coal burning uncontrolably in Centralia PA. That can't be helping.",
">\n\nThat’s because corporations can do essentially whatever the fuck they want while we are asked to sacrifice",
">\n\nYou don’t have to sacrifice, you just need to make different choices and deprive the biggest polluters of revenue. If you just pass the buck and say it is the corporations doing this then you’re missing the opportunity to teach them what it means to lose customers. Just making the effort is what it takes, you don’t even need to achieve much but it is sending a message. Also, don’t fall for greenwashing. Highly recommend watching Not Just Bikes on YouTube along with Climate Town.",
">\n\nThe issue is the supply chain so complex, is being updated all the time, and companies have a strong incentive to obfuscate it.\nThere needs to be minimum standards and regulator for this.",
">\n\nThey might obfuscate it from you as an individual, but if you pay attention when experts say how to reduce your footprint, you can still act responsibly.\nThe car companies lied about emissions by using 'defeat devices', but transit users were ahead of the game.",
">\n\nNo I meant more like 5 products on a shelf - doing the insane research into cost, environment cost at use, environment cost at creation, health risks, human rights in production, while bearing in mind that shop could close or product gets discontinued or new research ala asbestos.\nIt’s a lot to keep track of for every product in your life.",
">\n\nThere's a ton you can do to reduce your carbon consumption that isn't tied to consumer goods. Diet, transportation choices, even your day to day habits like how warm/cool you keep your house, gardening/landscaping, etc. \nBut there is a good rule of thumb for consumer goods too- if you can buy it used or even better reuse/refurbish what you already have, you'll come out ahead.",
">\n\nI fully agree, I just mean Brand A detergent vs Brand B detergent type stuff",
">\n\nIt's almost like 75% of pollution has to do with industry practices and not at all about the consumer habits of the working class.",
">\n\nDude, drive a fucking bicycle and not a car. So the one percenters can have their manicured mansions, private yatchs and jets, and fucking slaves like us...\nAnti-trust laws haven't been ignored, they've been raped, lol",
">\n\nYou could also ride a bicycle because it saves you thousands of dollars per year, gets you additional exercise that you otherwise spend money on at the gym, and because every car taken off the road statistically makes everyone else safer. As a bonus, it reduces our carbon footprint.",
">\n\nYeah, those of us with 30+ mile commutes sometimes in hurricanes can totally ride a bike to work.",
">\n\nYeah, and I was clearly saying that you, specifically, should ride a bike to work. More than half of all trips made are under 6 miles, which, as long as the infrastructure is safe enough for you to ride, is an ideal candidate for replacing the trip with a bike.",
">\n\nI was being somewhat sarcastic in my response but I actually take public transportation because it's an option. I know a shit ton of other people who don't have any option for their jobs but to travel by cars. The biggest problem surrounding transportation is city design and management, and not specifically personal choice. If you can afford to live near your workplace and ride a bike then it's great, but at least in my city the majority of people can't live close to where they work for a variety of reasons.",
">\n\nLikewise, I know a shit ton of people who think they need a car but don't. In the NYC subreddit, someone mentioned my neighborhood as one where living without a car is a \"hard sell\", yet I haven't owned one since well before I moved here, and it's perhaps the easiest place to live car free out of anywhere I've lived before."
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