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I kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin"
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Alright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294
To argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.
For example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.
Edit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person."
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If you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...
...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently."
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These people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens."
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Better ask the government to address their concerns, then. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good."
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Blocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then."
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If you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them."
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Exactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line"
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So become French? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot."
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|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy
That's because it is. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?"
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For all the right-wingers that moan about "free speech" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is."
] |
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Well they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent."
] |
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Not yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them."
] |
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UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”
People need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.
Imagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.
The new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.
Yeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!"
] |
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Because people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?"
] |
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More like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the "caste" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility.
In other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians."
] |
>
In other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.
I'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive."
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That made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of "less job". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say "screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me".
That's how I imagined it lol | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long."
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That's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority.
This is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that "comfortable" living is under an authoritarian. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol"
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They really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option…
“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…” | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian."
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When the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”"
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First on their wishlist: mud-proof boots | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for."
] |
>
I think those were Germans | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots"
] |
>
correct | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans"
] |
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"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable" | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect"
] |
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Good luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\""
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You mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms."
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I'm not sure what point you think you're making | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?"
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The british government dont care about democracy. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making"
] |
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Right wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British "conservatives," to the surprise of nobody paying attention. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy."
] |
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Nah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then.
This is a foundational problem with British democracy. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention."
] |
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More like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy."
] |
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With what? Knives and tea cups? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them."
] |
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Or sniper rifles and carbombs. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?"
] |
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I could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs."
] |
>
a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that
Hasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day."
] |
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Imagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?"
] |
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Western democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it."
] |
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Brexiters: “You have freed us!”
Tories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’” | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future."
] |
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Brexiters: “You have freed us!”
Tories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.” | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”"
] |
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Ladies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”"
] |
>
Arrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest."
] |
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Get your hand off my protestsss! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal."
] |
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Ah sir I see you know your Judo well. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!"
] |
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And you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well."
] |
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Ooooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?
To let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court?
And more than half of your people voted for it !
Fiendish! Well played, British ruling caste! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?"
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This is 💯 correct.
What the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.
As soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!"
] |
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they are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook
next they’ll add qualified immunity | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”."
] |
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The Tory’s are at it again! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity"
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Tories really don't wanna win do they? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!"
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How can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?"
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Bro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!
Britain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances."
] |
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What’s next a High Chancellor | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will."
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“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!” | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor"
] |
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Yeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”"
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This just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!"
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Well in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well."
] |
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I don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well"
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The British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much"
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Read up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses."
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Just fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course."
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Didn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition."
] |
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It involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes."
] |
>
The movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.) | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?"
] |
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The real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)"
] |
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That will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them."
] |
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Didn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy."
] |
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If you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!"
] |
>
Time to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place... | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable."
] |
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With what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place..."
] |
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I couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:
Alcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety."
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"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe"
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In the long run? Mesothelioma | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?"
] |
>
Great point lol | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma"
] |
>
UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”
That is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol"
] |
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They know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors.
It took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now."
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most hapless PM in Britsh history.
sacrificial goat.
deliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.
had they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'
instead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her' | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history."
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Take the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person.
The entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'"
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Didn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead."
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They had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?"
] |
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And people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles."
] |
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Go ahead, Brits. Revolt. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change."
] |
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If I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt."
] |
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British maybe not but the Scotish probably yes | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen."
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So when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire? | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes"
] |
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England is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?"
] |
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Democracy sure is on the defensive lately. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace."
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Brittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately."
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Brexit working as intended. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one."
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Organize, Unionize, Revolt now!
(And please don't "That's easy for you to say", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything) | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended."
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Conservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄 | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)"
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Britain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄"
] |
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Britain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.
Fixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.
It's bold to say, "Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!" While also saying "Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations." | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent."
] |
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ALP is not center left.
They are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\""
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Today I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as "Centre-left" and part of the "Progressive Alliance" are right wing. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing."
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Wait until you hear about the national socialists or the chinese communist party, it's gonna blow your mind! | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing.",
">\n\n\nALP\n\nToday I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as \"Centre-left\" and part of the \"Progressive Alliance\" are right wing."
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They need to be able to bring down another Scottish rebellion | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing.",
">\n\n\nALP\n\nToday I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as \"Centre-left\" and part of the \"Progressive Alliance\" are right wing.",
">\n\nWait until you hear about the national socialists or the chinese communist party, it's gonna blow your mind!"
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Dear UK, maybe don't vote conservative next time. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing.",
">\n\n\nALP\n\nToday I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as \"Centre-left\" and part of the \"Progressive Alliance\" are right wing.",
">\n\nWait until you hear about the national socialists or the chinese communist party, it's gonna blow your mind!",
">\n\nThey need to be able to bring down another Scottish rebellion"
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We didn't last time. They got 42% of the vote. | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing.",
">\n\n\nALP\n\nToday I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as \"Centre-left\" and part of the \"Progressive Alliance\" are right wing.",
">\n\nWait until you hear about the national socialists or the chinese communist party, it's gonna blow your mind!",
">\n\nThey need to be able to bring down another Scottish rebellion",
">\n\nDear UK, maybe don't vote conservative next time."
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The bill would criminalize long-standing protest tactics such as locking on (where protesters physically attach themselves to things like buildings) and tunneling (literally digging tunnels), and could force people who protest regularly into wearing electronic tags.
Are you fuckin kiddin me? 😬🤦🏻♂️ | [
"They're doing the same to legitimate Union strike action. “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\nOur free and democratic society exists because of protest and strike action.\nMany present and past members of the House of Lords have participated in quite extreme protest and strikes, or have acted as lawyers to free the same. Including Nelson Mandela's lawyer.\nThe police already have suitable powers and have not asked for their powers to be strengthened.\nRushi Sunak and Suella Braverman are a threat to these legitimate freedoms and thus democracy.",
">\n\n\"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.\"\nAlmost like this has happened before.",
">\n\nWhat politician ever studied history?\nEdit: holy shit! Does someone think I'm the dumbest bitch in the world? Put: \"/s\" after what I said.",
">\n\nIronically a lot of them, it’s an extremely common background for politicians.",
">\n\nI know. How did someone not think I was being sarcastic?",
">\n\nMy dude, it’s the internet, there are absolutely people that dumb around here",
">\n\nI know, but I don't want to accept it.",
">\n\nThink of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that. - George Carlin",
">\n\nI kind of dislike this quote because it paints humanity in broad, insulting strokes. A person's knowledge is typically inconsistent. The average person's knowledge is seemingly --anecdote from me (like the stupidity judgement)-- pretty good in at least one area or subject. Also, I did set this up so that if you disagree with me, you should disagree on the stupidity point unless you have evidence. I don't like insulting people indiscriminately. I'm just a discriminatory kind of person.",
">\n\nAlright sure. Here's the flip side of that quote: Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that THANKFULLY, half of them are not THAT fucking dumb. -squish8294\nTo argue the pedantic point, if you're considering a ratio of 100 people, and the average person has x smarts, that value x is by definition in the middle, therefore that quote from George Carlin cannot be inaccurate because it is mathematically true by default.\nFor example: Consider the political divide in the united states. The average person wants neither universally left nor universally right, yet half of us vote universally left, half of us vote universally right, and each thinks they're the better of the two. The axiom is universally true for everyone irrespective of which specific slice of knowledge pie you choose to cut from the cosmos. It is mathematically true.\nEdit: I've edited this a few times to clean up and add to my point. I'm at a spot where I feel that mechanically, my reply is complete. I may edit a bit more if something nags me to discomfort about it, but I feel it's at a good spot currently.",
">\n\nIf you're that scared of the people you represent, then you're not representing the will of the people...\n...but we all know that by now. Far too many western governments are steamrolling their own citizens.",
">\n\nThese people don't represent me. They are a nuisance causing more harm than good.",
">\n\nBetter ask the government to address their concerns, then.",
">\n\nBlocking people from freely traveling in their own country is not peaceful protesting. Fuck them.",
">\n\nIf you criminalize peaceful protesting you're just gonna get a riot every time people are pissed off about something. If you're a cop in the UK do you really want a crowd of people with nothing to lose to be the only ones organizing? Seems like you're asking to put your ass on the line",
">\n\nExactly. If punishment for protesting is as restrictive to my life as a punishment for rioting then I’ll just riot.",
">\n\nSo become French?",
">\n\n|| Human rights activists say it's an affront to democracy\nThat's because it is.",
">\n\nFor all the right-wingers that moan about \"free speech\" when their favourite rapist is banned from instagram, or whatever, when there's an attack on actually free speech, they're suddenly silent.",
">\n\nWell they might get arrested otherwise so you can't blame them.",
">\n\nNot yet. Free speach is not dead yet. Speak up!",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nPeople need to be able to peacefully protest, even if it's disruptive or annoying. Otherwise you just have a tyranny, and things will never be able to change when they need to.\nImagine this was said about the Civil Rights Movement.\n\nThe new amendment would also give police the power to shut down protests before any disruption even occurs.\n\nYeah, that's just ridiculous. Why is there so much authoritarianism these days?",
">\n\nBecause people elect authoritarians that say they're authoritarians and then people are surprised when they're authoritarians.",
">\n\nMore like, the ruling class of people fundamentally outputs authoritarians at a higher rate then any other class. The bureaucracy involved in being able to even participate meaningfully in government is so high in the \"caste\" system that its basically impossible for normal people to participate. At that level of caste, the bureaucracy removes empathy from decision making to facilitate not only participation but growth and mobility. \nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.",
">\n\n\nIn other words, systems across the globe natural evolve to an authoritarian structure because that's the most efficient way to survive.\n\nI'd argue that it's the structures of the systems in place that select for authoritarianism, and not that authoritarian systems are actually in any way efficient or conducive to survival. History has shown us that if anything authoritarian systems are remarkably inefficient and don't last long.",
">\n\nThat made me thinking actually that those who get power tend to change laws in the favor of \"less job\". Trying to maintain balance between people of different culture, political views, gender/sexual preferences, religion as well as politicians AND own political interests, etc etc (I can't even start naming all the social differences) would require an enormous amount of effort, communication, non stop negotiations and constant adjusting the law to make the co-existence more fair for everyone. At some point one can just say \"screw it, just do as I say, it will work for everyone just fine, especially for me\". \nThat's how I imagined it lol",
">\n\nThat's pretty much what happens. Eventually the bureaucracy decides that the work of coexistence cost more then it does to just give into authority. \nThis is mostly due the conflict avoidance most people have and the need to remain comfortable in living. Even if that \"comfortable\" living is under an authoritarian.",
">\n\nThey really don’t understand what happens when you’re fighting for rights or life and you felonize the peaceful option… \n“Well if I’m gonna die or lose my freedoms by doing nothing and I’ll be jailed for protesting peacefully or otherwise…”",
">\n\nWhen the police themselves say they don't want more powers, it's clear who this is for.",
">\n\nFirst on their wishlist: mud-proof boots",
">\n\nI think those were Germans",
">\n\ncorrect",
">\n\n\"They who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable\"",
">\n\nGood luck conducting violent revolution with no firearms.",
">\n\nYou mean the US where there are multiple examples of police not cracking down on heavily armed protests while brutalizing unarmed protestors?",
">\n\nI'm not sure what point you think you're making",
">\n\nThe british government dont care about democracy.",
">\n\nRight wingers, specifically. This is a measure by British \"conservatives,\" to the surprise of nobody paying attention.",
">\n\nNah, even the Labour party has an authoritarian streak that rears its ugly head every now and then. \nThis is a foundational problem with British democracy.",
">\n\nMore like with humanity. There have always been and will always be people who want authoritarian structures in place in the hope they could be on top one day. Maybe, some day. Hopefully. The tradeoff is worth it to them.",
">\n\nWith what? Knives and tea cups?",
">\n\nOr sniper rifles and carbombs.",
">\n\nI could see it being a lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that to take place than it was for the IRA in their day.",
">\n\n\na lot more difficult to get the supplies needed for that\n\nHasn't the UK pretty much given up border control since Brexit due to a lack of capacity?",
">\n\nImagine if Iran did that. Oh, wait. They are already doing it.",
">\n\nWestern democracy continues its march toward fascism. It's a bleak future.",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Oh, we wouldn’t say ‘freed’. More like, ‘under new management.’”",
">\n\nBrexiters: “You have freed us!” \nTories: “Nearly. We're still working on freeing you from basic healthcare, and soon we'll be freeing you from basic human rights and after that we plan your complete and total freedom from the right to protest. We'd also free you from the ability to vote if we could.”",
">\n\nLadies and gentlemen, this is democracy manifest.",
">\n\nArrest meeee, for what? Eating a meal? A succulent Chinese meeaaaal.",
">\n\nGet your hand off my protestsss!",
">\n\nAh sir I see you know your Judo well.",
">\n\nAnd you sir, are you waiting to receive my limp penis?",
">\n\nOoooh, so this is what Brexit was really about?\nTo let the British ruling class violate their citizens' human rights without interference from that pesky and aggravating EU human rights Court? \nAnd more than half of your people voted for it ! \nFiendish! Well played, British ruling caste!",
">\n\nThis is 💯 correct. \nWhat the majority in this country somehow did not get was BREXIT was here to weaken the working class.\nAs soon as the result was announced, I said “the British people are going to get what we deserve, we no longer have protection from the EU”.",
">\n\nthey are taking a page out of the USA Police playbook \nnext they’ll add qualified immunity",
">\n\nThe Tory’s are at it again!",
">\n\nTories really don't wanna win do they?",
">\n\nHow can you look at the past seven years of politics and think this will hurt their chances.",
">\n\nBro the Tories elected a clown, then they elected someone who lasted less time than a head of lettuce. Somehow, they want the clown back!\nBritain could certainly clear this shitshow if the people simply had the will.",
">\n\nWhat’s next a High Chancellor",
">\n\n“In order to ensure security and continuing stability, the Republic will be reorganized into the first Galactic Empire! For a safe and secure society!”",
">\n\nYeah those laws will do us a real amount of good when the human race ceases to exist due to climate emergency. Plus the fact that the tories are so shit at governing that all they can resort to is pointless dog whistle bullshit!",
">\n\nThis just gives people more things to protest about . Encouraging the police to become more violent is never going to end well.",
">\n\nWell in Belaruss and in Russia, it did actually work well",
">\n\nI don’t believe Brits Like a police state that much",
">\n\nThe British government giving unprecedented powers to the police to handle protesters goes against the very tenets that British democracy espouses.",
">\n\nRead up on what Thatcher did. Watch the videos of the striking workers during that time. This is par of course.",
">\n\nJust fascists doing fascist things. Cracking down on free speech and unions and political opposition.",
">\n\nDidn't think V for Vendetta was going to happen without the nukes.",
">\n\nIt involves a virus used against its own population mostly, doesn't it?",
">\n\nThe movie does. The book is post nuclear war (the book is better.)",
">\n\nThe real reason that Tories pushed for Brexit was so they can go full fascist without EU courts stopping them.",
">\n\nThat will be the end of public assembly. You don't seriously want to give that right to a government that is already your enemy.",
">\n\nDidn't know the were making another V for Vendetta adaptation!",
">\n\nIf you make peaceful protests difficult you make violent revolutions inevitable.",
">\n\nTime to fuck up the govt and put them back in their place...",
">\n\nWith what? The Brits gave up the best tools they had long ago in the name of public safety.",
">\n\nI couldn’t say how it would work irl but if if this were in Minecraft:\nAlcohol, Rag, Lighter, a chemistry kit, a bag of Fertilizer, Asbestos, and some pvc pipe",
">\n\nWhat would asbestos do, in Minecraft ?",
">\n\nIn the long run? Mesothelioma",
">\n\nGreat point lol",
">\n\n\nUK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said: “We cannot have protests conducted by a small minority disrupting the lives of the ordinary public. It’s not acceptable and we’re going to bring it to an end.”\n\nThat is the literal point of protests and the very foundation of democracy. Good on the tories to take the mask off entirely though, maybe the people somehow still voting for them hear the wake-up call now.",
">\n\nThey know they're dusted by the time the next election rolls around - hence why they released their disgraceful mini budget in October to grease up their sponsors. \nIt took that decision absolutely tanking the UK economy (beyond what even their worst case scenarios had hypothesised), and the intervention of the Bank of England, IMF, the USA, and any other influential economic body unanimously telling them to course correct immediately to force a U-Turn, and the resignation of the most hapless PM in Britsh history.",
">\n\n\nmost hapless PM in Britsh history.\n\nsacrificial goat.\ndeliberate and specifically so utterly incompetent that the next one, no matter who it was going to be, would seem good in comparison.\nhad they gone straight to rishi, he would have been seen as 'more of boris johnsons cabinet'\ninstead they put cretinous f*ckwit in the chair for 20 minutes, and then rishi was able to come and 'save the country from her'",
">\n\nTake the tinfoil hat off. Truss was never planned-it was just the way things worked out. tory members ended up with a choice between a brown man and a white woman so of course they had to choose the un brown person. \nThe entire party was/is filled with nothing but loonballs at the time because boris had his night of the long Knifes to remove the moderates. So any one who won was always going to be a bad choice to lead.",
">\n\nDidn't need these 'special powers' during the Troubles now, did cha?",
">\n\nThey had mass internment (that is, imprisonment without trial) during the troubles.",
">\n\nAnd people say that Western governments aren't doing anything to get ready for climate change.",
">\n\nGo ahead, Brits. Revolt.",
">\n\nIf I understand British politics correctly, Princess Margaret didn't marry Peter Townsend, so that is thankfully unlikely to happen.",
">\n\nBritish maybe not but the Scotish probably yes",
">\n\nSo when are the Tories going to rename themselves to Norsefire?",
">\n\nEngland is speedrunning the authoritarian technocracy 101% at a record pace.",
">\n\nDemocracy sure is on the defensive lately.",
">\n\nBrittan needs to get rid of the Torries ASAP. Pretty much every call they are making is the wrong one.",
">\n\nBrexit working as intended.",
">\n\nOrganize, Unionize, Revolt now! \n(And please don't \"That's easy for you to say\", Took part in direct actions the past 10 years, that narrative is part of the problem. look for local organisations to support and show up at protests. Lethargy won't change anything)",
">\n\nConservatives attacking civil liberties? Im so surprised 🙄",
">\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy center-right establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.",
">\n\n\nBritain may not have as bad cops as the Western Hemisphere or countries like India, but it still has the problem where police report to a government that disproportionately represents the interests of the wealthy ~~center-right~~ establishment. That kinda breaks the logic of policing by consent.\n\nFixed that for you. You seem to forget the responses to COVID lockdowns in places like Canada and Australia, both of which had a center left party in power.\nIt's bold to say, \"Yay Ottowa! Beat those rednecks!\" While also saying \"Yay Beijing citizen, those lockdowns are human rights violations.\"",
">\n\nALP is not center left. \nThey are approaching policies of the german CDU, who are right wing.",
">\n\n\nALP\n\nToday I learned that a labor party which describes themselves as \"Centre-left\" and part of the \"Progressive Alliance\" are right wing.",
">\n\nWait until you hear about the national socialists or the chinese communist party, it's gonna blow your mind!",
">\n\nThey need to be able to bring down another Scottish rebellion",
">\n\nDear UK, maybe don't vote conservative next time.",
">\n\nWe didn't last time. They got 42% of the vote."
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