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[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine..." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days..." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke", ">\n\nTLDR; 'rape me, but be gentle'" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke", ">\n\nTLDR; 'rape me, but be gentle'", ">\n\nHear me out . . . what if instead of giving the green light to James Bay, they give it to Michael Bay?" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke", ">\n\nTLDR; 'rape me, but be gentle'", ">\n\nHear me out . . . what if instead of giving the green light to James Bay, they give it to Michael Bay?", ">\n\nYou want explosions? That's how you get explosions." ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke", ">\n\nTLDR; 'rape me, but be gentle'", ">\n\nHear me out . . . what if instead of giving the green light to James Bay, they give it to Michael Bay?", ">\n\nYou want explosions? That's how you get explosions.", ">\n\nIs it profitable though" ]

[ "How on earth does China get to take all of the only mine of it's type in Canada and ship it back home. Isn't this considered a strategic resource? Shouldn't foreign ownership be limited to \"friendly\" counties who respect our intellectual property laws and human rights?", ">\n\nCanada has been and always will be about extracting ressources. Our legislation is to mining as any fiscal paradise is to banking.", ">\n\nAnd selling it off to the highest bidder, regardless of domestic needs. Such is the Canadian way.", ">\n\nWhat do you mean \"regardless of domestic needs\"?\nAfaik, Canada does not have a particularly large EV or battery industry, so we don't have a domestic need for a ton of lithium.\nChile mines a ton of lithium too, and I don't hear anyone complaining that they ship it to other countries for processing.\nHere's something to consider: Canada is one of largest producers of Aluminum in the world, but we don't mine any bauxite. We import the ore and refine it into aluminum, but I don't hear anyone complaining that Australia sells us ore.\nThis is called a global economy, and you can fuck right off with your misinformation and attempt to discredit Canada.", ">\n\nCanada discredits itself with not being able to house its own citizens.", ">\n\nHousing prices are a problem literally everywhere in the developed world.", ">\n\nThey are the worst in the developed world in Canada. Highest debt loads and worst affordability. But keep ignoring it!", ">\n\nTell me you've never been anywhere else in the world without telling me you've never been anywhere else.", ">\n\nTell me you can't read readily available data without telling me you can't read readily available data.", ">\n\nTell me I'm beautiful...", ">\n\nAlright THIS TIME don't sell it to China, thanks.", ">\n\nToo late.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nSeriously? Goddamn, Canada! You let China plunder your housing market, now you let them plunder your ore. You gotta step up and have some self respect.", ">\n\nThe US let’s Saudi Arabia suck Arizona dry for pennies and ship water intensive alfalfa back home. Some ones pockets are getting lined at the cost of everyone.", ">\n\nBoth are bad moves but Canada is definitely take the King stupid title here.", ">\n\nActing like water isn't more important than lithium ore.", ">\n\nEverything needs water, and Canada might be one of the few places where there is no shortage of it?", ">\n\nMost fresh water in the world. One day this will be a problem for us I really think.", ">\n\nOh we are getting invaded by America the second water overtakes oil lol", ">\n\nMy dad and I talked about this at least 20 plus years ago and the more time goes on the more true it is.\nWe're partners. Friends. But there will come a day when America needs water, and they're not going to ask.", ">\n\nI don't think it would ever come to that, the general American public would never stand for a war against Canada.", ">\n\nIf it comes to a choice between living and being peaceful, I do not expect Americans to choose peace. No shade on my southerly brothers, but water is the essence of life. No water, no life. An we sorely abuse our stores of it.\nThey keep building in the desert, they keep farming on sand. Sooner or later they run out, and America absolutely will not allow Canada to sit on some of the world's largest stores of potable water while they stay thirsty.", ">\n\nHave you guys looked at a map in your lives? The U.S has access to the Great Lakes, legally.\nWe’re not talking about a war over Hudson fucking bay are we?\nCalm down.", ">\n\n\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\n\nAs a Canadian, what the actual F#CK\n \nSitting on a (figurative) gold mine and not even directly benefiting from it? Good game.", ">\n\nUmm... I guess the author forgot about the lithium mines in QC.", ">\n\nThe one in Val-Dor? I don't think it is active anymore, sadly.", ">\n\nThere is Sayona Mining (AUS owned) - I believe still in operation, and then North American Lithium Project, Quebec, is expected to restart spodumene production in Q1 2023.", ">\n\nThanks for the info!", ">\n\nGoogle is your friend :)", ">\n\nNo he's not, and he owes me money!\n \n^(We're acquaintances at best. In questionable terms.)", ">\n\nCanada should nationalize its resource sector.", ">\n\nThere was nothing stopping Canada from creating a corporation and doing this. \nSo your comment is silly and doesn't actually make any type of point.", ">\n\nThis is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 84%. (I'm a bot)\n\n\nEnvironment Minister Steven Guilbeault says a new lithium mine in northern Quebec can go ahead with more than 270 conditions to protect wildlife and respect Indigenous use of the lands for traditional purposes.\nThe only active lithium mine in Canada today is owned and operated by China's Sinomine Resource Group in northern Manitoba and all of that lithium is shipped to China.\nThere are several proposed projects for additional lithium mines, as well as plans to restart production at a Quebec mine that went bankrupt and was sold.\n\n\nExtended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: lithium^#1 mine^#2 China^#3 project^#4 supply^#5", ">\n\n20 years? That’s not that long. What about after that?", ">\n\nAfter 20 years it will become a toxic mess that the government has to clean up.", ">\n\nIndeed. Just like that one body of water in Montana that used to be a copper mine. It's completely toxic and they have to constantly chase birds off of it because they'll die if exposed to it for more than a few hours. \nGood thing EVs are really great for the environment. Although I didn't realize letting China come and plunder your lithium mines was part of the \"breaking a few eggs\" to make an omelet.", ">\n\nThis is going to turn into an albatross once sodium-ion technology takes off.", ">\n\nRetooling and developing battery tech for that will take a decade anyway. Might as well make hay while the sun is shining.", ">\n\nRight? How long have lithium batteries been around for? We still widely use NiCd/NiMH rechargable and even non-rechargable batteries. Heck, even lead-acid batteries—invented in 1860—are still used everywhere. Lithium will long be needed for storage tech.", ">\n\nLithium ion will be phased out even quicker than it was phased in. It's full of rare earth conflict metals, you recycle it by burning it in an incinerator, and the installations themselves are prone to cell balancing issues and fires that you just can't put out, so you let them burn themselves down to atoms.\nWe'll absolutely be dealing with the waste stream from all the lithium ion scams for the next few decades though. Can't wait for giant landfill fires to start because of all the \"disposable\" lithium ion battery pillows people have been throwing away for years now.", ">\n\nYeah man. Totally can't go exothermic That's why germany built special dump trucks full of water with a crane to put them in and leave the cars for 3 days so they don't light back up like a trick birthday candle.", ">\n\nI never said older lithium batteries can't catch on fire. In fact, the video I posted shows that the LiPo chemistry EXPLODES on puncture. Those EV fires are from older lithium chemistry batteries.\nTesla is already incorporating the safer LFP chemistry in the Model 3 and Y.\nOther EV manufacturers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, Honda are all still using older NCA / NMC chemistry which does catch on fire.", ">\n\nThe top 10 events on that list are 2021/2022 model year cars. We're talking about the \"assembly lines\", and i use the term extremely loosely, that somehow managed to mount a bunch of 10,000 dollar battery management and cooling systems into their cars with metal strapping, zip screws, and home depot molding....a thing that shouldn't even be possible on an actual assembly line.\nMaybe I'd be inclined to believe them if their cars didn't start with worse build quality than a '94 geo metro.", ">\n\nLFP just started making it into Tesla’s in late 2021 and only Model 3 SR and Y SR have LFP.\nStop trying to “gotcha!” me. I am interested in the truth and will gladly agree that older lithium chemistries are flammable.\nEdit: does it mean the model year of the car or just the date that the fire occurred? I just took a look and I think it’s just the date. There is no listing about the model year of the cars themselves.\nAnd what do you mean by “inclined to believe them?” Believe who? What are you talking about? We were talking about the safety of lithium batteries right?", ">\n\nYes, and I don't believe for a second tesla aren't still using old lithium batteries in brand new cars, hackjobs are kind of their specialty.", ">\n\nThe Chinese owns it. Canada, it's a farce at this point.\nIt is so shameful. We have so many natural resources and we sell them all to.. China of all country. \nShame.. shame.. shame...\nEdit I'm Canadian, it hurts.", ">\n\n\nThe Chinese owns it. \n\nNo, it's owned by the Australian company Allkem, as mentioned in the article.\n\nThe James Bay project is the first Canadian project for Australia's Allkem and is supposed to start producing lithium in 2024.\n\nWhat made you think that the Chinese own it?", ">\n\nSorry. My sleep-deprived brain read that as \"Michael Bay lithium mine\" and I thought, \"Nooo! it's just gonna blow up!\"", ">\n\ni stopped reading at \"270 conditions to protect wildlife\". i suggest people google lithium mines to see how this is an impossibility.\nin all seriousness, as much as i love the prospect of EV's, this is the dirty part of it. the amount of greenhouse gases and environmental destruction caused by current mining practices, is astronomical. what worries me, is that money made from mining will overtake the desire to make the battery industry self-sufficient via recycling. look at our recycling program here in Canada: it started off as \"recycle, reuse, reduce\", and now it's just \"recycle certain things only, as companies don't make enough money off everything else\". i think greed will ruin the EV industry, unfortunately...and this is why we can't have anything nice.", ">\n\nFunny enough, it's actually reduce, reuse, recycle rather than the way you have it lol. At least that's how it was taught to me in Canada", ">\n\ni don't think the order matters....\ni was referring to the fact that the other two complete disappeared.", ">\n\nStop talking bad about China. There are several liberal members getting paid handsomely from them.", ">\n\nOh sorry. Must have posted on a liberal thread", ">\n\nBut a pipeline isn't environmentally friendly... Wow.", ">\n\nWhat does this do to the price of Allkem stock? They own 100% of the James bay mine...", ">\n\nCanada and the enviroment.", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine", ">\n\nTotally onboard for sustainability. Which leads me to the question, what happens when the lithium runs out? Can it be recycled? Are there any efforts at reclaiming used lithium? How is using lithium going to avoid falling into the same trap as oil in that regard?", ">\n\nWhen a country has been found guilty multiple times of spying and corporate espionage, they shouldn't have bidding rights on these types of valuable minerals and metals. Lithium especially. Both PC and LIB governments do it, people are getting paid off?", ">\n\nBetter than a Michael Bay lithium mine! \nNIMBY", ">\n\nAre we going to sell it to China first?\nEdit: my bad, I guess we already did, should have known better.", ">\n\nHarper already sold it to china years ago.", ">\n\nWhats the primary fuel source for the machines and processors mining it? And how many ev vehicles would it take to justify such?", ">\n\nA couple Canadian lithium companies I own shares are planning to coordinate with electric companies to ensure proper infrastructure is in to supply enough energy to power equipment that runs on batteries. \nWith a surplus of hydro electricity in Manitoba, there will be no problem in providing power to mines within MB and the “Ring of Fire” in northwestern Ontario aka the hotbed of mining in Canada if needed.", ">\n\nWhat about the massive fuel guzzling trucks? I imagine running one of those for an hour is the equivalent of running quite a few passenger vehicles for days...", ">\n\nA passanger car, or 100, doesn't carry 200 tons of mineral.\nA train consumes more than 100 pick-ups.", ">\n\nAaaaaahahahaha; what a joke", ">\n\nTLDR; 'rape me, but be gentle'", ">\n\nHear me out . . . what if instead of giving the green light to James Bay, they give it to Michael Bay?", ">\n\nYou want explosions? That's how you get explosions.", ">\n\nIs it profitable though", ">\n\nLesser evil, tho maybe open pit mines can be avoided ? The lithium is useful to make electronics & batteries to reduce carbon pollution, by an order of magnitude. Can be padded by recycling too (metal recycles well)." ]

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[ "For anyone interested, these are the specs:\nKeychron v2 barebone, no knob version.\nGateron Milky Yellow Pro switches\nBlack and white Hiragana Keycaps from Aliexpress\n​\nMODS:\nStabs were lubed with GPL 205g0 for housings and stems and Dielectric Grease 22058 for the wires.\nTempest tape mod.\nO-ring mount.\nPE Foam mod." ]

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[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all..." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is.." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me", ">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me", ">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.", ">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"" ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me", ">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.", ">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"", ">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me", ">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.", ">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"", ">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.", ">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea." ]

[ "Russians should slam Putin’s outdated imperialistic views instead.", ">\n\nHis views are there views. What little protests that happened during the mobilization were broken up in a couple days and very small. \nThey’ve been generationally programmed to support the state.", ">\n\n\"Stop showing how much better your leftover equipment is than our operational stuff!\"", ">\n\nThis must be some serious vindication for the cold war era weapons designers.", ">\n\nIt's been going on ever since the cold war to be honest.. \nTake a 5 second look at US/NATO missile design and realize they have been preparing for combat that just wont ever exist short of a US/EU war. We have long been in a cycle of build a better weapon.. then build its direct counter.. which means we need to build a better weapon.", ">\n\nRussia announces a (fake) wonder weapon\nUS rage builds a counter to it\nRussia announces a (fake) counter to the US's counter\nUS rage builds a counter to that\nIts fun, Any public Russian number is an exaggeration or best case, and any public US number is being conservative", ">\n\nThis has actually happened many many times. Russia builds a new weapon.. we freak out until we capture one.. find out its absolute shit and then still build our counter weapon.", ">\n\nBasically this is The MIG-25 story.", ">\n\nAnd the F-15 was our response :)", ">\n\nwell the Mig was better than the F4 at the time. even though it was made of steel (magnets stuck to the plane), it flew quite well but sucked fuel like crazy. My friend flew the F4 phantom, he called it a flying brick with an engine... but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25). I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today. Just before the fall of the USSR, the Russians developed the thrust vectoring engines to counter the F-16 turning radius.", ">\n\n\"well the Mig was better than the F4 at the time.\"\nNo, it really wasn't. The Mig was smaller and more maneuverable which gave it an advantage when dogfighting, especially since F-4 tactics at the time did not play to the plane's strengths. Despite that, the F4 still had the higher kill ratio, especially towards the end as the plane, and the tactics for using it, improved.\nAnd that's just in terms of aerial combat. The F4 was a multi-role aircraft capable of aerial combat and ground attack, and it was far more advanced than the Mig in basically every way.\n\"but I believe the F-14/15 was already in production (to replace the F4 before the pilot defected with a mig 25)\"\nThe Mig 25 first flew in 1964 and the F-15 first flew in 1972 so no, it was not \"already in production\". The US had heard rumors and seen carefully choreographed demonstrations of the Mig-25 which is why they were so concerned and pushed ahead with the F-15.\nViktor Belenko's defection had nothing to do with it one way or the other. In fact, had he defected earlier the US might have realized the Mig-25 wasn't a serious threat and might have cut back on the F-15 program.\n\"I think the F-16 was more the counter to the, Mirage, Mig and Su's, and it is still a great all around fighter today.\"\nWhich no one is denying, or even talking about at all...", ">\n\nThis means one thing: The Western arms deliveries are helping Ukraine and hurting Russia, and more than Russia can ever admit. \nHIMARS literally changed the whole war when it got introduced in the summer of 2022. All the air-defense systems are now making the Russian terrorist attacks more and more useless. The newest round of tanks and infantry vehicles will make the Ukrainian army's shock advances even more effective. Russia is losing this war, and losing very badly.", ">\n\nI just wish they even longer range weapons / munition was provided ASAP. It would likely make a big difference even in low quantities.", ">\n\nUkraine has made their own drones that can go 1000km. US isn't stopping Ukriane's non US-donated weapons from striking inside Russia border", ">\n\nAnd they may very well be secretly helping with development while washing their own hands :)", ">\n\nHey, the US would NEVER provide precise instructions for the assembly of a precision guided missile assembly using the TI GNSS Stack with the WILINK8 driver that should hit at GPS coordinates 55.639974,37.747731, and definitely don’t use the HLOS app processor!", ">\n\nWhat did that bridge do to you?", ">\n\nShow us on the doll where the bridge touched you.", ">\n\nPutin was slamming his mini cocktail wiener, but he sprained his hand, so he's gotta branch out.", ">\n\nSays the guy who provided more tanks and ammunition than anyone else.", ">\n\nWell technically Putin should also slam himself. He's giving Ukrainians tons of tanks and weapons and ammunition", ">\n\nRussia went from being the 2nd army in the world to the third best army in Ukraine, after the ZSU, and Ukrainian farmers.", ">\n\nFourth, if you count the foreign volunteers.\nFifth if you distinguish between Wagner and the standard Russian military", ">\n\nEven nature is supporting Ukraine. Between the beavers, and Europe having one of its warmest winters on record.\nJust to spite Putin’s attempts at freezing Europe out of supporting Ukraine.", ">\n\n\"Angry dwarf yells at clouds.\"", ">\n\n\nangry dwarf with poopy pants yells at clouds", ">\n\nI got that reference.", ">\n\nDuh, the cool people get it, like you!", ">\n\nI used to just be old. Now I'm old and uncool. Life just keeps going downhill.", ">\n\nNext headline will be west claps back at Putin", ">\n\nIt's like a testing ground, I cannot imagine how valuable all the info we are getting back is..", ">\n\nPutin is dreaming if he thinks the West is just going to let him annex Ukraine.", ">\n\nTo be fair, Putin had some basis for thinking the West might going into the invasion last February. He got away with causing \"separatist\" conflicts in Georgia and in the Donbas, in addition to seizing Crimea with his little, green men and his rigged \"referendum\". And that's not counting Russia and Wagner's actions in Syria. The West was generally lukewarm about Ukraine's viability as an independent state, given the narrative that Ukraine and Russia are historically linked peoples with a relationship similar to Taiwan and China. And the US's exit from Afghanistan and pivot away from Europe to deal with China probably made Putin think the US wouldn't put up too much of a fuss other than sending some supplies to any possible remnants of the Ukrainian government. Effectively amounting to just \"thoughts and prayers\". If Kyiv had fallen in the first 3 days and Zelensky had fled, then Putin might have been vindicated. Ukraine's performance in the war thus far is what made the West confident enough to send every increasingly powerful weapons, \"defensive\" or not.", ">\n\nHe's crying again. His people can't just win.", ">\n\nSuck it, suka.", ">\n\nFuck this guy", ">\n\nWe don’t say it enough", ">\n\nHow could we?", ">\n\nWas it really a slam? Looked more like a bash for me", ">\n\nRussian Smallman leader Vladimir Putins, who recently shit his pants last month, “Slam” downgraded to “Bash” due to crying like a little whiney bitch.", ">\n\n\"Russia's arms imports of course prove that we are only seeking peace, Ukraine's, however, prove that they are the real warmongers here.\"", ">\n\nUkraine gets modern weapons from the west, Russia gets bullets filled with stale bread and dog poop from North Korea.", ">\n\nI don't think food can escape North Korea.", ">\n\nAnd they will have eaten all the dogs, so no dog poop either! And the human poop goes on their fields... So probably just full of expired propellant" ]