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[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs....." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another..." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol", ">\n\nYou shouldn’t be able to poison the air of other people in a public space, especially vulnerable people like those with asthma. If people want to chew tabaco or something then whatever, but smoking affects the people around you" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol", ">\n\nYou shouldn’t be able to poison the air of other people in a public space, especially vulnerable people like those with asthma. If people want to chew tabaco or something then whatever, but smoking affects the people around you", ">\n\nDiesel exhaust and soot are everywhere and your water bottles are poisoning you" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol", ">\n\nYou shouldn’t be able to poison the air of other people in a public space, especially vulnerable people like those with asthma. If people want to chew tabaco or something then whatever, but smoking affects the people around you", ">\n\nDiesel exhaust and soot are everywhere and your water bottles are poisoning you", ">\n\nThis is too far" ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol", ">\n\nYou shouldn’t be able to poison the air of other people in a public space, especially vulnerable people like those with asthma. If people want to chew tabaco or something then whatever, but smoking affects the people around you", ">\n\nDiesel exhaust and soot are everywhere and your water bottles are poisoning you", ">\n\nThis is too far", ">\n\nWe need this in other countries as well. I am sick of walking down the street in town and inhaling smoke. If you're going to give yourself lung cancer, have the decency to do it in the privacy of your own home." ]

[ "Mexico now bans smoking in hotels, beaches, parks and all other public spaces\n\nThey aren't very clear on how far this goes. Its illegal to smoke on beaches and parks here in Canada, at least in the city where I live, Ottawa. There is no law against smoking on the sidewalk, but you can't smoke within 9 metres of a bus stop or a bunch of other publicly owned facilities. You can't smoke on outdoor restaurant patios.\nThe article really doesn't give much detail on how it will be enforced and exactly what the restrictions are.", ">\n\nOttawa has beaches?", ">\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \nWe have 4 city beaches on the rivers. Very nice to go for a swim in the summer.", ">\n\n\nYeah, We have 2 big rivers going through the city. \n\nAnd a canal!\n(okay, it doesn't have beaches, but it's got tulips and walking paths)", ">\n\nCanals and tulips - sounds like Holland", ">\n\nThe tulips are actually a gift from the Dutch going back to the years after WWII.", ">\n\nHey that's great, never knew that - thank you !", ">\n\nAnother fun fact that's missing from that page:\n\nMargriet was born in Ottawa Civic Hospital, Ottawa. The maternity ward of the hospital was temporarily declared to be extraterritorial by the Canadian government. This ensured that the newborn would not be born in Canada, and not be a British subject under the rule of jus soli. Instead the child would only inherit Dutch citizenship from her mother under the principle of jus sanguinis, which is followed in Dutch nationality law. Thus the child would be eligible to succeed to the throne of the Netherlands.\n\n^^^^^source", ">\n\nIt's a proper school day for me today.\nBrilliant - thanks!", ">\n\nWhat a great line! That's going right in my pocket.", ">\n\nI was in Ireland the historic day they stopped smoking in pubs in 2004. An Irishman was overheard saying \"First no smokin' in pubs, what's next no drinking??\"", ">\n\nMy state banned indoor smoking in 2006. I was at a bar with some friends, and I'll never forget the look of dejection on a regular's face when when the bartender said \"Patio\" as he made to light his cigarette. Guy just hung his head and did the walk of shame to the smoking patio outside. \nWhich honestly was a pretty nice setup; much more comfortable seating, quieter, etc. If you didn't mind the smoke, I'd go out there frequently just to drink in peace.", ">\n\nBritish smoker here (trying to quit) - honestly the smoking ban was one of the best things to happen to pubs imo.", ">\n\nI remember being young when it was being instituted in Restaurants in the U.S. i remember my parents, who are smokers, actually telling me about it and why it was good\nAnd I know it certainly made going out to eat with family nicer for me.", ">\n\nMy dad used to smoke like a chimney, so dinner at a restaurant always involved him smoking at the table, while ordering, while having his pre-dinner cocktail, putting it out right as the food came and lighting up as soon as he was finished. I was so happy when he finally quit.", ">\n\nThe post meal smoke, in particular, was one of the the hardest to give up. It's been 12 years, and to this day I never really feel like a meal is complete without it, especially at a restaurant where people might want to hang out and keep talking after the meal is over.", ">\n\nMy favorite times to smoke when I used to smoke:\n1) After meal\n2) In the morning with a coffee to help induce a shit\n3) post sex/fap", ">\n\nHave you tried a big meal during sex", ">\n\nLaws are useless unless they are enforced tightly", ">\n\nLooking for this comment right here. Mexico ain’t the best at enforcing their laws lol", ">\n\nUnless your a tourist... Very easy target for the bottom rungs of their police to extract a few quid.", ">\n\nI live in Mexico. Tourists (and gringos like me) are at the top of the food chain. It's regular Mexicans that are harassed and extorted. Police know to leave the tourists alone.", ">\n\nI went there as a tourist and that was obvious. When I was down there in a tourist town you could tell the biggest expenses were in the tourist section of town. Both the street/infrastructure and the cops playing dress up as soldiers who were taking selfies with their get up", ">\n\nMexico goes to great lengths to ensure tourist safety. The police and military are more entwined here so a lot of the police you see are actual soldiers. Mexico is an extremely safe place to visit, when something bad goes down with a tourist, it is usually because they are buying drugs. In the few times that isn't the case it makes the news and Mexicans themselves are genuinely upset. A lot of (good) jobs rely on tourism.", ">\n\nPeople who think Mexico is super scary for tourism are delusional. My last trip was to Mexico City, which is not manicured for tourists the way Cabo or Cancun are. I posted a bunch of photos from the Museo Soumaya to social media. It's right next to one of the richest areas in all of Mexico. I got responses asking if I felt safe. I'm standing right next to like a Gucci store and a Ferrari dealership. I'll be okay.", ">\n\nExactly. 40% of this country lives in poverty but the other 60% are doing very well with a much higher standard of living than most Americans want to believe. People love to push the narco violence narrative like its a part of every day life. In some areas, it is but that is not the norm.", ">\n\nI live in Panama and we had that law almost 15 years ago. The result, almost nobody smokes, at least in public. Before that people smoked in bars, it was horrible, the smell, the smoke.\nBut hey, less smoke is always better for health.", ">\n\nSame here in Australia. You rarely see anyone smoke in public. Not really surprising since a packet of (20) cigarettes costs $AU40 (and goes up every year), I’d be surprised if in 10 years time hardly anyone will be smoking.", ">\n\nStill see a few people smoking on Sydney's streets, but the number has dwindled more and more.\nNothing worse than being stuck behind a walking smoker", ">\n\nOr being in a small room with someone who just did. The smell is just nauseating.", ">\n\nMy dad hid his smoking when he started back up again when I was a kid (cause i got cancer and the stress was real) but we all knew cause that shit stinks", ">\n\nThey should try banning drug cartels from running large swaths of the country.", ">\n\nI would legalize cocaine instead and enforce quality standards. Might be much more effective.", ">\n\nEnforce quality standards on the cartels…? They can’t enforce the whole “no running large swaths of the country” thing, I’m not sure the Mexican equivalent of the FDA is armed well enough.", ">\n\nBy legalizing the drug and enforcing quality standards, it weakens their control and brings some of that drug money to the government instead of the cartels, allowing for the building of resources to later take on the cartels directly.", ">\n\nThe cartels make their money off of richer countries, not selling the drug to Mexicans, and it's still illegal in America. \nSo all that would do is turn Mexico itself into the world's biggest cartel, which would upset America a bit.", ">\n\nOr those rich countries should actually act and stop their citizens from funding cartels :)", ">\n\nThen how would they secure votes in the election??", ">\n\nuse buzzwords like war on drugs, pretty good at getting votes", ">\n\nDrugs already won the war on drugs", ">\n\nRedditors in this thread: dont try to solve a problem unless you solve all these other listed problems, blissfully unaware of the definition of a catch 22", ">\n\nMexico does something\nWow really Mexico? How about you sort out your cartels first you fucking simpletons! downvotes", ">\n\nSir, here at the Ministry of Solving Problems Serially we solve problems on a first-in, first-solved basis. I regret to inform you that we’re drastically understaffed and have quite the backlog. Our current problem to solve is (checks notes) Nazi Germany, whatever that means.", ">\n\nAs it should be. I wish they would do that in the US (and everywhere really).", ">\n\nwell this is gonna be an interesting world cup!", ">\n\nIf the last one went without beer, this should be easy", ">\n\nOr human rights", ">\n\nI bet there is going to be a popular photo of Mexican cops smoking in public within the next few weeks. If something is illegal in Mexico there is a good chance a Mexican cop is doing it right now", ">\n\n\"Just pay them off, and you can smoke all you want!\" Someone, I think told me, at least thats what they heard, anyways...? O_O", ">\n\nSo many comments here from people you can tell have not left the US. \nTake it for what it is, Mexico trying to stop the most preventable deaths in its population. What does Cartel have to do with this? \nIn the US, this proposed bill would be laughed at all the way to the some senators garbage can thanks to RJ Reynolds and the Likes saying “nah we dont want this”\nEdit/add-on:\nIm from the states and moved to Mexico a few years back. This is likely most enforceable in non-tourist cities. The tourist cities (Vallarta / Cancun / Cabo) will likely have a higher rate of bribery as this law will be used as a precursor to “ticket or cash now” kind of thing", ">\n\nCan't mention mexico on reddit without \"Oh yeah? Well, cartels! Booyah! I am very smart.\"", ">\n\nWord. They complain about the government not doing anything about the cartels, and then they go watch bullshit series like Narcos, maintaining the glorification of drug lords.", ">\n\nYep. And manu of them keep buying their merchandise. Mention coke on a thread and everybody jumps in to share anecdotes", ">\n\nHonestly I've been to Mexico once for vk and surprisingly I didn't see anyone smoking they all just drink alcohol and very friendly by the way I would definitely recommend going there as long as you're not a Karen", ">\n\nme, living in Mexico, reading this while smoking in a park", ">\n\nPersonally, I prefer the idea of making stuff legal for adults to do, and merely doing pigouvian taxes to discourage their use and fund programs to deal with externalities while still giving people the freedom to make bad choices. But I can still see the logic in doing this route instead of mine. Idk. At any rate, I'm interested to see how it will work out on a practical level, and if they will manage to successfully implement it and such. Maybe it will work out well, or at least some lessons can be learned from it", ">\n\nSin taxes on addictive substance generally end up just punishing the poor. It's also a long, slow walk to a solution. I'm personally on the \"fuck big tobacco\" side of things, and am down for whatever kills those vultures off the fastest.", ">\n\nThe thing is, the habit of smoking is also a tax on the poor, since being poor can make people more prone to addiction, and since health issues (which smoking can cause) can hit the poor the worst. And on the other hand, the data seems pretty clear that enacting sin taxes does reduce usage, so sin taxes wouldn't necessarily be a punishment of the poor but rather something that can help push them towards better behaviors", ">\n\nI just think the entire attitude of 'we need to save poor people and make their decisions for them!' is so condescending. Sin taxes might cause fewer packs to be purchased, but pricing people out of something that they want to do isn't a moral way to solve the issue in my eyes. Just let people be educated about it and make their own decisions, ensure that bystanders aren't impacted in their health, and everything past that you may agree with or not but I don't think it's the realm of the government. The 65 y/o dishwasher at my restaurant isn't going to stop smoking if you charge him more, he's just going to have less money.", ">\n\nNice. Hopefully less disgusting cigarettes butts everywhere", ">\n\nIf only people cared as much about plastic, plastic waste, and the plastic in their lungs as they do about cigarettes.", ">\n\nI went back to Costa Rica last year, after having gone there 10 years ago. They now have a pretty rigid smoking ban in public. The previous time I went, drinking and smoking wherever were tolerated most places.\nIt honestly made me quit smoking, being there for two weeks. I was able to buy a pack, but the cashier looked at me like a druggie and then I got dirty looks anywhere I smoked, like on the beach or hiking trails.\nI think this kind of policy works way better than others for limiting consumption. Social reinforcement works better than outright prohibition. I think I only saw one other person smoking while I was there.", ">\n\nIn the Philippines it's illegal to smoke in any public space", ">\n\nPeople still smoke wherever they want most of the time - except the commercial areas.", ">\n\nI don't smoke, but I think anti-tobacco laws are going too far in some countries", ">\n\nTo put it simply, tobacco is associated with huge burden to a country healthcare services.", ">\n\nso are sugary drinks and donuts. should we ban them or ban their consumption in public?", ">\n\nby a factor of 10, especially in Mexico which is the most Obese nation on the planet.", ">\n\nCredit where credit is due.\nOf all countries with a population of 10 million and more, the United States of America is the country with the largest percentage of obese population.\nWhen considering the obese AND overweight percentage of the population, Mexico has the largest, with USA a close second with 1% less.", ">\n\nObesity in Mexico \n\nObesity in Mexico is a relatively recent phenomenon, having been widespread since the 1980s with the introduction of processed food into much of the Mexican food market. Prior to that, dietary issues were limited to under and malnutrition, which is still a problem in various parts of the country. Following trends already ongoing in other parts of the world, Mexicans have been foregoing the traditional Mexican diet high in whole grains, fruits, legumes and vegetables in favor of a diet with more animal products and processed foods.\n\n^([ )^(F.A.Q)^( | )^(Opt Out)^( | )^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)^( | )^(GitHub)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)", ">\n\nWell, it’s just for show. Obviously a country that has never had much of an ability to enforce laws will never be able to enforce this one. \nIt’s going to end up being s local townie issue. If they don’t want it around they will make that happen…and would have with or without the law.", ">\n\nCan't smoke but can go to any pharmacy and get farmaprams and 30s lol", ">\n\nI’m literally walking around Mexico City breathing other peoples cigs lmao wtf.", ">\n\nAlberta has similar restrictions but ignorance is bliss around here as not many offenders abide by them and I have seen and heard of zero enforcement", ">\n\nNext on the list, banning narcos.\nWhat a waste of effort.", ">\n\nThat's it, I'm moving to Mexico", ">\n\nAlso illegal in mexico: guns and drugs.....", ">\n\nI live In Michigan and smoking is also banned in public places. I see no one smoking where I live.", ">\n\nHooray! 🥳", ">\n\nGood, now we need to make it ok to snitch on parents with children that smoke in the house and we will be all set.", ">\n\nTell me how they plan to enforce this stupid law. They have failed to enforce their drug laws as well as a host of other problems, some much more important. If they want to stop people smoking tobacco, then make all tobacco sales illegal. That also would be an enforcement nightmare.", ">\n\nCool suggestion.", ">\n\nMost of y’all on here have never been to Mexico. Shut the fuck up.", ">\n\nGringos complaining about cartels like they aren't supplying them with all the money.", ">\n\nThat ban on murder seems to be working real well, there. I am sure this will be as successful.", ">\n\nEveryone gets so high and mighty when it comes to this issue compared to all others. It's bizarre the varying levels of sympathy between addicts of hard drugs, alcoholics, and cig smokers. But that's not really even my issue. I'm 23 and I enjoy smoking. It's not something I want to do my whole life, but I smoke 2-5 cigs a day and enjoy them immensely, and in the 3 years I've been smoking the price has almost doubled. If I keep my habit away from bystanders so I'm not hurting anyone else why the fuck can't I have a cigarette just like anyone can have a beer?", ">\n\nGood, we have the right tot clean air. second hand smoking is not a joke", ">\n\n\nsecond hand smoking is not a joke \n\nIn a room, yes.\nOut on the street? Extremely miniscule impact.[1] Compared to the likes of cars, it's practically irrelevant. Yes, even for children.\n^No, ^I ^dont ^smoke.\n[1] Latza, U., Hoffmann, W., Terschüren, C., Chang-Claude, J., Kreuzer, M.,\nSchaffrath Rosario, A., Kropp. S., Stang, A., Ahrens, W. u. Lampert, T. (2021): Erhebung, Quantifizierung \nund Analyse der Rauchexposition\nin epidemiologischen Studien. Berlin: Robert Koch Institut.", ">\n\nIt’s part of making smoking so difficult people are motivated to quit. So then they won’t smoke in other places either where they are near others or cause harm to themselves.", ">\n\nThe government shouldn't be nannying people about their own personal health choices. I understand minimizing impact on others, but let people make their own choices about what they out into their own bodies", ">\n\nPeople are really starting to stop caring about freedom and want a government controlled dystopia. I understand that for society to function there has to be some compromise to freedoms, but we're starting to expect everyone who lives in society to be quiet and docile robots who pay taxes and do as they are told. I wore a mask and got double vaxxed, so I'm not one of those nuts out in the rigs screaming \"Muh Freedums!\"", ">\n\nRight? I'm not one of those types either, but a line has to be drawn somewhere to protect our own personal freedom. As long as we aren't hurting anyone else, we should be able to do as we please. We don't owe it to the government to live longer/healthier", ">\n\nthis is mexico, so this law will only be applied to mexico city and a few beach resorts that are actually under government jurisdiction", ">\n\nWow, does your average redditor really believes that the rest of the country is dominated by the cartel and law doesn’t exist?", ">\n\nI'm a Mexican and can confirm I have to wage low intensity guerrilla warfare when I want to move from one state to another...", ">\n\nPeople who doesn't live in Mexico shouldn't tell their citizens how to solve their own problems.\nWe don't tell you how to solve yours", ">\n\nIt’s so funny watching all this gringos being like ohh fix cartels first. Imagine if Mexicans went to any news about US legislation and all the comments you saw were about mass shooter killing children. Or something like it’s so hard to visit there I went to a mall and all I could focus on was the cops not killing me or some random dude shooting all of us. How sad for me the tourist.", ">\n\nI won't be going to Mexico for a holiday again", ">\n\nThey should ban cars in Mexico city. The most polluted city i’ve ever been. Everyday a dark grey sky over the city, it’s smog. Sometimes they have emergency alerts: kids, old and sick people should not go outside too much. Because of the smog they have a system of prohibition of cars with certain plate numbers.", ">\n\nThat would be a tough nut to crack in CDMX. Ridiculous number of people, crappy cars everywhere, natural valley geography trapping the emissions. And the public transit is pretty decent all things considered.", ">\n\nI remember when they finally banned cigarettes in restaurants and bowling alleys and how amazing it was.\nThe fact that society thought it was okay to allow that horrendous smell in public areas (regardless of the health effects) boggles my mind.\nIt's honestly a gag inducing smell to me.", ">\n\nThat will do shit for the general health of the country and the environment when they're still going ahead with the construction of the fucking Mayan train that is killing the jungle.", ">\n\nSurprised that shit is still allowed in places.", ">\n\nCool. Now how about a solution to vehicle emissions? I visited a town that smelled just like vehicle exhaust. Everywhere you went in the town it smelled.", ">\n\nVehicle emissions are a drop in the bucket of air pollution in mexican cities.\nThe largest polluters are factories. And guess what? Just like every other country, the owners of said factories pay politicians to keep it that way and blame everything else, like cars.", ">\n\nI literally live here and I'm Canadian. It's not a nightmare what the fuck are you even on? \nMedia has really fucked up the US/Canada on what Mexico is actually like. \nYou don't get shaken down all the time, I can be out at like 5am walking and have zero problems. Try actually being in Mexico before you make bullshit comments.", ">\n\nTbh it highly depends on where you are in Mexico. Big difference between Baja California and Oaxaca", ">\n\n...I'm not sure if Baja or Oaxaca are bad lol", ">\n\nThey should ban government corruption. That would save more lives.", ">\n\nYou think that isn’t already banned? Lol", ">\n\nI hope more places do this", ">\n\nFuck yeah! I hope the EU soon follows!", ">\n\nAnyone who's ever just stood moderately close to a smoker, even outside in an open-sky area, knows that shit still stinks up the area and the smoke will enter your lungs. Less so than in an enclosed space but enough to be a very large discomfort and potential health risk.\nCigarettes and other smoked tobacco products would never be legal if we introduced them nowadays, the health risks are too high for too little benefit. Would never pass any safety guidelines. Don't care if you smoke and enjoy it and need it to \"calm down\". If you weren't addicted to tobacco in the first place, your body wouldn't have a significant enough withdrawal symptoms to need a cigarette to calm down. You're free to get your nicotine from dozens of other application methods that are both healthier for you and still combats anxiety and withdrawal symptoms. And it's cheaper. \nMexico has its issues and we can play whataboutism all we want with that, but this ban isn't unreasonable by any means. Enforcement is a separate issue. Other countries have done things similar to this already much earlier or are introducing measures that will eventually lead to a cigarette ban and there's literally nothing wrong with that.\nA-bloo-bloo dystopian government control bullshit, they're literally banning something that is objectively bad. Oh no, next thing there gonna ban contaminated meat and juice from rotten fruit, imagine the totalitarianism.", ">\n\nKeep licking that boot, I bet it tastes real nice.", ">\n\nI spent a couple of months driving around Mexico and found that not many people smoke in public, especially not locals. Most people smoke in bars. If a bar has no-smoking signs, odds are you can still smoke in there, just ask for an ashtray. Most restaurants don't allow smoking, except for patios.", ">\n\nIndoor smoking has been banned in Mexico for over a decade, you can't smoke in bars at all.", ">\n\nThey also have really restrictive gun laws, so…", ">\n\n\"Put that cigarette out....and clear up that cocaine too\"\nSaid no one ever.", ">\n\nWell, that knocks Mexico off my retirement list", ">\n\nMore of the government trying to fix things by banning them or making them illegal. Maybe one day that tactic will actually fucking work. When humans and pigs are flying together in the sky. \nLet people live free so long as it doesn’t hurt others. I’m fine with indoor bans. Fair. That can affect others. Fine the shit out of people for dropping butts, I don’t care. But fuck off about smoking outside “in public” away from others in a parking lot of something. Like literally eat my asshole. That’s ridiculous. \nAlso, unless you’re hotboxing a fucking car it’s not gonna hurt you. All you fucking whiny babies about second hand smoke, do you have any idea what’s in the air we breathe? It’s just as bad half the time, quit complaining. Smoke a cigarette or something and chill out, something has to kill you.", ">\n\nI like that. I'd love that for Germany, too. But the tobacco lobby is so strong here, that cigarette ads are banned just from this (!) year on. I hate to be forced breathing that crap in everywhere on the outside.", ">\n\nLet's do this everywhere on the planet for fucks sake. It's not my choice to breathe in that poison. Smokers had a free pass for decades to not only poison their own bodies but anyone around them breathing in that disgusting smelling toxic second hand smoke. \nI fucking hate cigarettes. Obviously lol\nBut seriously did smokers ever even consider that their second hand smoke? I had a friend who would hold his arm out and blow in the opposite direction of me and I still smelled it and my clothes would reek after we hung out.", ">\n\nExactly. If they don't care about killing themselves then why would they care about killing anyone around them. In the US, smoking kills twice as many nonsmokers as gun homicides. Yet nobody cares.", ">\n\nFor some reason they think that smoking outside makes it ok. I hate having to walk through clouds of smoke before going into a store. Or walking on a busy city sidewalk with no escape from that smell.", ">\n\nIt should definitely be banned in public", ">\n\nJapan has no smoking in public laws too, just happens that designated beautiful smoking nooks are everywhere. Lol", ">\n\nAren’t they at war with the cartel right now? Why are they worried about some bs like this lol", ">\n\nYou shouldn’t be able to poison the air of other people in a public space, especially vulnerable people like those with asthma. If people want to chew tabaco or something then whatever, but smoking affects the people around you", ">\n\nDiesel exhaust and soot are everywhere and your water bottles are poisoning you", ">\n\nThis is too far", ">\n\nWe need this in other countries as well. I am sick of walking down the street in town and inhaling smoke. If you're going to give yourself lung cancer, have the decency to do it in the privacy of your own home.", ">\n\nHeaded to Mexico in a few weeks, and this makes me happy!! I really can’t stand being at a resort or restaurant walking through a bunch of smoke.\nSorry smokers" ]

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[ "Totally agree." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice.", ">\n\nGirl Scout cookies shouldn’t cost more than $3 a box. They should just be a regular year round brand at this point." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice.", ">\n\nGirl Scout cookies shouldn’t cost more than $3 a box. They should just be a regular year round brand at this point.", ">\n\nSo what about us people who aren't awake when the parent forces their kid to knock on the door? I find it way more easy to give my money to our safety tech at work to get some cookies from her granddaughter." ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice.", ">\n\nGirl Scout cookies shouldn’t cost more than $3 a box. They should just be a regular year round brand at this point.", ">\n\nSo what about us people who aren't awake when the parent forces their kid to knock on the door? I find it way more easy to give my money to our safety tech at work to get some cookies from her granddaughter.", ">\n\n💯" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice.", ">\n\nGirl Scout cookies shouldn’t cost more than $3 a box. They should just be a regular year round brand at this point.", ">\n\nSo what about us people who aren't awake when the parent forces their kid to knock on the door? I find it way more easy to give my money to our safety tech at work to get some cookies from her granddaughter.", ">\n\n💯", ">\n\nWhy would this be an unpopular opinion?" ]

[ "Totally agree.", ">\n\nI used to sell Christmas cards door-to-door. It was terrifying as I was a very shy, quiet, insecure kid, but I did it completely on my own. With the points I earned doing it, I was able to turn them in for a prize.", ">\n\nI never thought about it that way. I completely agree.", ">\n\nHell no they shouldn't. Beats half the purpose of the kids selling them.(the other part,, the money). Any time a parent brought that form to work I'd say, Send your kid. I'll buy some then.", ">\n\nI’m going to start saying that.", ">\n\nI impressed even myself😆", ">\n\nthese girls sell girl scout cookies on the corner of my street every year, parents supervising, i know they always end up selling a ton that way", ">\n\nYeah parents doing that in their workplace is cringey and they get so uppity when you don't buy. They think you're scum!", ">\n\nEgh I don’t mind it. I like a box every now and then and the office was really the only place I was ever able to get them.\nSometimes they’d be outside a grocery store but I never have cash and aren’t making a special trip right then to go get sone", ">\n\nI think selling Girl Scout cookies is tough.\nYou kind of have to know the people you’re selling to since they are pre-bought and delivered later. Total strangers probably aren’t going to pay you upfront for a product. \nI think parents doing the work has been happening for way longer than social media. My dad used to take my sheet to work and put it on the break room table.", ">\n\nI didn’t even know they did it like that. I only buy them from the Girl Scouts that set up outside a grocery store or something and have the cookies with them.", ">\n\nYeah - the troop/parents bought all those from\nThe preorder and resell them. If you don’t have the money to buy the cookies ahead of time - your troop can’t do it that way.", ">\n\nNobody should sell girl scout cookies. I think it's messed up and shameful practice to have kids sell anything.", ">\n\nHow so? Is it not a good way to, as others have said, help confidence etc? Please explain ty", ">\n\nI just order direct from the Girl Scout Cooke website when I want them. What I don’t want is to have girls set up at the entrance and exit of my grocery store so I have to break their hearts twice.", ">\n\nGirl Scout cookies shouldn’t cost more than $3 a box. They should just be a regular year round brand at this point.", ">\n\nSo what about us people who aren't awake when the parent forces their kid to knock on the door? I find it way more easy to give my money to our safety tech at work to get some cookies from her granddaughter.", ">\n\n💯", ">\n\nWhy would this be an unpopular opinion?", ">\n\nToday's kids who have their parents do their work are tomorrow's leaders. Isn't that a frightening thought?" ]

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[ "Had no idea we even had these. Just send them our military equipment while keeping just enough for domestic training, we rarely have to use it anyway and when we do it's in some country that doesn't even want us to be there." ]