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p6xiln | architecture_train | 0.86 | Help me to pin down an Architectural Style. Is there another way to describe the Gentrified style? (Have a development starting up in my beautiful turn-of-the-century neighborhood, checked the dev's site and it's allllllll this gross style. Kinda want to speak up at our townhall.) Thanks! | h9ibs63 | h9gsry5 | 1,629,360,115 | 1,629,328,372 | 4 | 1 | 5 over 1, or just commercial contemporary. I like to call it “McModernism.” AKA, “Our revit sweatshop churns out 8 of these babies a month.” | McDonalds with apartments | 1 | 31,743 | 4 | ||
p6xiln | architecture_train | 0.86 | Help me to pin down an Architectural Style. Is there another way to describe the Gentrified style? (Have a development starting up in my beautiful turn-of-the-century neighborhood, checked the dev's site and it's allllllll this gross style. Kinda want to speak up at our townhall.) Thanks! | h9ibs63 | h9i4zh9 | 1,629,360,115 | 1,629,354,468 | 4 | 1 | 5 over 1, or just commercial contemporary. I like to call it “McModernism.” AKA, “Our revit sweatshop churns out 8 of these babies a month.” | Lol I call them Sketchup houses/buildings | 1 | 5,647 | 4 | ||
mhe2qz | architecture_train | 0.8 | Please help me choose undergraduate school for architecture! (UC Berkeley, USC, and Carnegie Mellon) Here are pros and cons of each school. **UC Berkeley** Pros * International alumni network * Prestigious school (good when working abroad?) Cons * 4 year program (would have to go to grad school get licensed) * Stressful environment * Hard to join clubs * \~10k a year **USC** Pros * 5 year program (no need for grad school) * Location (LA, many firms nearby) * Good alumni network * Student life * Good financial aid (tuition is free) Cons * Admitted for spring 2022 (would have to do something else in fall) * making friends/joining clubs is harder **Carnegie Mellon University** Pros * 5 year program * Small classes (\~30 people) * Opportunities to work closely with faculty * good financial aid (\~$3000 a year) Cons * Location (Pittsburg, not many firms around) * Not a well-known program * Smaller alumni network What school do you think is the best for undergrad? Please reply below! | gt05a71 | gsys354 | 1,617,259,104 | 1,617,229,540 | 2 | 1 | No brainer. You want to take the cheapest and shortest path to licensure. USC has the best undergrad program in California and a strong professional network. In my experience hiring entry level employees, USC grads are among the best prepared to enter the workforce. | I went to Berkeley... Go there it's way better than USC and Carnegie Mellon. You will be taught by legit Grad Professors | 1 | 29,564 | 2 | ||
mhe2qz | architecture_train | 0.8 | Please help me choose undergraduate school for architecture! (UC Berkeley, USC, and Carnegie Mellon) Here are pros and cons of each school. **UC Berkeley** Pros * International alumni network * Prestigious school (good when working abroad?) Cons * 4 year program (would have to go to grad school get licensed) * Stressful environment * Hard to join clubs * \~10k a year **USC** Pros * 5 year program (no need for grad school) * Location (LA, many firms nearby) * Good alumni network * Student life * Good financial aid (tuition is free) Cons * Admitted for spring 2022 (would have to do something else in fall) * making friends/joining clubs is harder **Carnegie Mellon University** Pros * 5 year program * Small classes (\~30 people) * Opportunities to work closely with faculty * good financial aid (\~$3000 a year) Cons * Location (Pittsburg, not many firms around) * Not a well-known program * Smaller alumni network What school do you think is the best for undergrad? Please reply below! | gt05a71 | gsz69ie | 1,617,259,104 | 1,617,237,080 | 2 | 1 | No brainer. You want to take the cheapest and shortest path to licensure. USC has the best undergrad program in California and a strong professional network. In my experience hiring entry level employees, USC grads are among the best prepared to enter the workforce. | Sounds like USC is your best bet: free ride and don’t have to deal with grad school if you don’t want to. Also Carnegie Melon may not have the brand recognition to the layman because of a lack of major sports, but it is well regarded school and if someone cares enough about academia for it to weigh in their decision I’m sure CM will not reflect negatively for you (if anything it is a plus). But maybe if you want to work on the west coast I can see your reasoning there | 1 | 22,024 | 2 | ||
fes1q0 | architecture_train | 0.86 | [Ask] Can someone help me decide if Architecture is a good career in Canada? Hey! Hope everyone's doing great. I'm a junior in high school, and I know there's still time, but I like planning things in advance. Hoping to get a few answers regarding Architecture in Canada. Note: I'm not from Canada, will classify as an international student. 1. Can I practice as a licensed architect after my bachelor's? (Considering i have finished the internship and exam required by CACB) 2. The CACB website mentions I need a 5 year bachelor's degree to apply for certification, but all colleges in accredited Canada (McGill, UofT, Carleton, etc.) offer only 4 year undergraduate programs. Can someone explain/elaborate on this? 3. This one's for people who've been in the field a long time. Would you say Architecture is a lucrative career in Canada? In comparison to Business school, would I be making more, less or the same amount of money? 4. I plan on starting my own firm around 4 years from graduation. Do you think this is a good idea or will I be better off working for a big firm? 5. I don't have many extra-curricular achievements except a few debates, MUNs, etc. but my grades and architecture portfolio are pretty good. Should I take the SAT to increase my chances of getting selected or will that just be a waste of time? Feel free to answer from personal/professional experiences. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Can't find answers to my questions anywhere else, so I turned to reddit! :p Wishing you all a great day! | fjs5ry1 | fjrpzma | 1,583,593,996 | 1,583,588,719 | 2 | 1 | Architecture programs in Canada used to follow an accredited 5-year Bachelor model, but this was phased out by the early 2000’s. Right now, accredited programs in Canada are all Master’s degrees. Look at the admission requirements for the graduate programs you’re interested in. Some require a B.Arch, some only require a 4 year bachelors. As for careers, you should take time to consider what interests you about the profession. Are there specific cross-disciplines you want to explore? Is there a particular scale you want to specialize in? If so, it might be a good idea to look through a schools faculty members and see how their experience matches up. Like many other professions, the worth depends on what you’re willing to put into it, so if you’re genuinely interested, go for it. | Only attempt to become an architect if you have a love for the profession. If you want make money open a chain of coffee shops. | 1 | 5,277 | 2 | ||
8hiej8 | architecture_train | 0.94 | ask] I'm an architecture student, can anyone help me achieve a certain look in my renders? (with example) The look I'm aiming for: https://i.imgur.com/AtFcJUg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zegLvyL.jpg ([source) Hello. I'm an architecture student and I'm currently working towards an upcoming submission due next week. I wanted to have several renders to showcase my project. I'm somewhat experienced in rendering. I have used V-Ray with Rhino to get photorealistic renders before. However, for this project, I want plainer, almost illustration-like renders. I don't know how to do this. My renders look either extremely plain and ugly, with the default materials in V-ray, or I use good materials to get "photorealistic" renders which don't even look that good. If anyone has any tips on how I can achieve this look or can point me to a tutorial covering this topic, that would be fantastic. I've searched myself, and I don't know if it has something to do with English not being my first language, but I haven't been able to find anything. I don't know the correct keywords I should be using. At best what I find are photorealistic rendering tutorials which aren't what I'm looking for. Here are some more examples to explain what I'm aiming for (not as good as the first two images at the top of this post) https://www.instagram.com/p/BerEG1dnOou/ Very close to what I want https://www.instagram.com/p/BiXZHeGH4Hq/ close, but too illustration-like https://www.instagram.com/p/BibZ69jDYCT/ too close to an illustration (not what I want) https://www.instagram.com/p/BiboiqAFKfL/ too photorealistic (not what I want) I know I sound like a nitpicking twat but I'm just trying to achieve a look I've wanted for a long time and have no idea how to achieve. I want to learn by doing so tutorials would be perfect, but I haven't had much luck searching myself. Thanks for your interest and any and all help! | dyk1czf | dyk3ie2 | 1,525,644,521 | 1,525,647,027 | 2 | 11 | Hi. There are many possible suggestions so I'll list some ideas: - render in 3dsmax and take into illustrator where u can overlay outlines - use a 3dsmax plugin like pencil+ and render with lines - only render the feature elements as photorealistic and then composite with a line drawing in photoshop | Try rendering only the shade and shadows. Them bring that image plus the line work into photoshop (if using rhino, use “make2d”). I’d use photoshop to add most, if not all, of the materials and then play with how bold the materials are relative to the volumes (which are defined by the shadows and the lines). Another helpful thing is to let the landscape entourage and people be a little bit more photorealistic than the building. | 0 | 2,506 | 5.5 | ||
8hiej8 | architecture_train | 0.94 | ask] I'm an architecture student, can anyone help me achieve a certain look in my renders? (with example) The look I'm aiming for: https://i.imgur.com/AtFcJUg.jpg https://i.imgur.com/zegLvyL.jpg ([source) Hello. I'm an architecture student and I'm currently working towards an upcoming submission due next week. I wanted to have several renders to showcase my project. I'm somewhat experienced in rendering. I have used V-Ray with Rhino to get photorealistic renders before. However, for this project, I want plainer, almost illustration-like renders. I don't know how to do this. My renders look either extremely plain and ugly, with the default materials in V-ray, or I use good materials to get "photorealistic" renders which don't even look that good. If anyone has any tips on how I can achieve this look or can point me to a tutorial covering this topic, that would be fantastic. I've searched myself, and I don't know if it has something to do with English not being my first language, but I haven't been able to find anything. I don't know the correct keywords I should be using. At best what I find are photorealistic rendering tutorials which aren't what I'm looking for. Here are some more examples to explain what I'm aiming for (not as good as the first two images at the top of this post) https://www.instagram.com/p/BerEG1dnOou/ Very close to what I want https://www.instagram.com/p/BiXZHeGH4Hq/ close, but too illustration-like https://www.instagram.com/p/BibZ69jDYCT/ too close to an illustration (not what I want) https://www.instagram.com/p/BiboiqAFKfL/ too photorealistic (not what I want) I know I sound like a nitpicking twat but I'm just trying to achieve a look I've wanted for a long time and have no idea how to achieve. I want to learn by doing so tutorials would be perfect, but I haven't had much luck searching myself. Thanks for your interest and any and all help! | dyk1czf | dykbp36 | 1,525,644,521 | 1,525,656,665 | 2 | 3 | Hi. There are many possible suggestions so I'll list some ideas: - render in 3dsmax and take into illustrator where u can overlay outlines - use a 3dsmax plugin like pencil+ and render with lines - only render the feature elements as photorealistic and then composite with a line drawing in photoshop | Have a look at Alex Hogrefe’s website, has a load of tutorials on a similar look! | 0 | 12,144 | 1.5 | ||
98ikfa | architecture_train | 0.88 | [Ask] First year of architecture school. What kind of computer should I get? | e4gnnrq | e4sy8ox | 1,534,687,995 | 1,535,194,069 | 1 | 2 | Use whatever you have and upgrade when you reach its limits. In the first year you probably won't be even needing a computer much, except for writing stuff or researching. | Any computer with 16-32gb of ram and a good video card at least gtx1050, but gtx1080 if your budget allows, will suit even the heaviest model, rendering or graphics editing. Mac OS underperforms with all of autodesk software, like revit or 3ds, so stick with Windows. | 0 | 506,074 | 2 | ||
98ikfa | architecture_train | 0.88 | [Ask] First year of architecture school. What kind of computer should I get? | e4sy8ox | e4k3ofo | 1,535,194,069 | 1,534,832,670 | 2 | 1 | Any computer with 16-32gb of ram and a good video card at least gtx1050, but gtx1080 if your budget allows, will suit even the heaviest model, rendering or graphics editing. Mac OS underperforms with all of autodesk software, like revit or 3ds, so stick with Windows. | I am currently using a Metabox laptop, which handles all the programs I need fairly easily. The main downsides are that laptops are more expensive than desktop equivalents, and higher tech ones tend to be heavy. In general, any computer that is labeled as a "gaming" computer will do just fine. | 1 | 361,399 | 2 | ||
qtttt7 | architecture_train | 0.79 | Any courses or books that teach the practical application of classical architecture? I'm actually a software engineer, but would like to get into designing classical architecture as a hobby. I was always fascinated by classical architecture and always wondered how people back in the day actually designed and constructed those complex and beautiful buildings. Are there any online courses or books targeted to people who aren't pros? I feel like this is exactly the type of hobby or profession that combines left-brain systematical thinking with right-brain creative thinking. The former is something I already have, the latter is something I want to develop. Or is this pursuit unrealistic for someone who hasn't studied this in a university? | hknnqdt | hkmkph8 | 1,636,934,988 | 1,636,919,176 | 3 | 0 | The Institute of Classical Architecture & Art has offerings including online courses that may be really great for you. There are also many other resources on their website as well such as video lectures, blogs, links to practicing architecture firms across their chapters, and a digital resource library with links to hundreds of scanned treatises from other institutions. As for books, a really good primer is Classical Architecture by Robert Adam. Another recommendation to accompany the other is The Secrets of Architectural Composition by Nathaniel Curtis | Honestly, I wouldn't rule out other styles of architecture. The more people learn about architecture, the more people tend to realize neoclassical isn't as interesting as they thought. You won't find many actual architects on r/ArchitecturalRevival. I would just take an intro to arch or arch history class to get a feel for your interest, then go from there. | 1 | 15,812 | 3,000 | ||
qtttt7 | architecture_train | 0.79 | Any courses or books that teach the practical application of classical architecture? I'm actually a software engineer, but would like to get into designing classical architecture as a hobby. I was always fascinated by classical architecture and always wondered how people back in the day actually designed and constructed those complex and beautiful buildings. Are there any online courses or books targeted to people who aren't pros? I feel like this is exactly the type of hobby or profession that combines left-brain systematical thinking with right-brain creative thinking. The former is something I already have, the latter is something I want to develop. Or is this pursuit unrealistic for someone who hasn't studied this in a university? | hkmkph8 | hkoetb8 | 1,636,919,176 | 1,636,947,577 | 0 | 3 | Honestly, I wouldn't rule out other styles of architecture. The more people learn about architecture, the more people tend to realize neoclassical isn't as interesting as they thought. You won't find many actual architects on r/ArchitecturalRevival. I would just take an intro to arch or arch history class to get a feel for your interest, then go from there. | The ICAA offers a bunch of great free classes online that you can use to get familiar with classical arch and traditional building in general. In addition to the other books mentioned in this thread, Perrault offers the simplest and most down to earth descriptions of Architecture. His diagrams of the five orders, for example, became staples for architecture education for 300 years. I want to point out that classical architecture is not just about columns and sculpture. It is not about the superficial at all. Classical buildings can be made without those things and still be classical. Classical architecture is all about the thing signified and the thing which gives it significance. It is motivated by the ideal that architecture's primary goal is a beneficial effect on the user of the space: by elevating that person's mental health, pleasure, and empowerment. This stems from the governing concept of democracy and rule by the empowered population instead of the elite. Classicism gives you the tools to achieve those goals in design, such as with proportions and the relation of voids and masses. Everything else, all the decorations, is frosting on the cake that simply amplifies that original guiding concept. I hope that helps you get started on this very exciting venture. | 0 | 28,401 | 3,000 | ||
d15rvr | architecture_train | 0.88 | (architecture student) clarify what a spatial extension is/diagram ideas? [ask] first year architecture student here. this is only the second week of school, but i'm already running into a minor problem. my professor is having us draw diagrams to depict concepts she hasn't taught us yet, which is frustratingly difficult. she recommended that, for my second draft, i change a diagram from 'exterior-interior space' to 'spatial extension'. i tried googling and found no dictionary definition. it's also not listed in our table of contents. she also told us not to email her questions because she wants us to just figure it out...any ideas on how i might draw a diagram to represent a spatial extension? | ezhp2k7 | ezhp2jt | 1,567,913,756 | 1,567,913,756 | 8 | 3 | Ah, the ol extended/expanded space exercise. Think of a living room with a rear patio. The living room is the "space" but the patio can also be seen as part of the living room through a physical or perceived connection (doors or windows). Some repetition of form could be used to enclose an adjacent area so that it can be thought of as part of another space, an extension if it were. I fucking hated teachers (usually tenured) who never took the time to introduce concepts or design vernacular in the first year or two. When I teach I spend time making sure we are speaking the same language, which as a practicioner is something you should concentrate on doing with clients. No idea why some instructors don't bother with the effort. I'm glad you have a place to ask, but the "figure it out" mentality is bullshit and probably why the profession is doing so poorly. | This is purely a guess so everyone grab your torches in case I’m totally wrong.... If I was to guess what spatial extension is I would assume that they’re looking for ways that a space extends farther than it’s given boundaries. Such as - super basic example - the way a roll up door would extend an inside area to the outside. How can you extend different spaces beyond the obvious? I don’t have a specific idea of how to diagram this.... | 1 | 0 | 2.666667 | ||
qj8lm6 | architecture_train | 0.87 | Just curious on many architects here have Autism/ADHD and if being an architect Is difficult in some way So like said I have ADHD and am on the spectrum is just curious to see if anyone else who is an architect or are an architect soon to be have either one or both of what I have, I'm just curious what's a positive and negative about this job profession with having these disorders, and I'll try to see if I can relatable to having the symptom (Autism can vary) and see if there any way to avoid this as much as possible so I prepare early for the future if I were to become an architect | hiqed6s | hiq4oe6 | 1,635,657,960 | 1,635,651,575 | 7 | 5 | I’m not on the spectrum but I was diagnosed at an early age with ADHD and have lived with it ever since. I’m an architect. You can do it! Probably better than most. I’ve spent a lot of my life not doing what I was supposed to. I was told my adhd would make school hard or impossible. They also said playing a collegiate sport and doing architecture wasn’t feasible. They say a lot of things. The reality is that school and the profession is hard, takes time, dedication and work. ADHD very nearly broke that many many times, but then again as someone that has ADHD that’s just how things are. I feel like how you manage yours is extremely important. For me, architecture is almost a therapy in itself. Once I can actually sit down and focus, it’s all a multifaceted mental game and that’s one I felt I was always better at than most. Architects also come in all kinds of flavors. You can do almost any kind of task, in almost any setting. You can work for a firm that makes you front and center or one where you work behind the scenes with a team on just a small part. The three dimensional problem solving is the real magic and if you enjoy that then it’s something that you can tap into to deliver your dopamine hits to keep going. The dark side is that I can suffer. I love design but doing production work is a slog, and getting started off the couch is hard. Putting away the Internet “research” is hard. Getting off track and redesigning something already done is constant. Getting behind in a project makes me avoidant which makes my problems worse until I address them and the client head on. I’m almost 40 and still trying to figure out how to learn these basic tasks. There will be plenty of people telling you can’t because architects are mostly pretentious for their own profession but it’s not really true. Architecture is for everyone. | I don't have any of those but I have a friend who has ADHD and is also an architect. My advice is if you love the profession and want to be an architect, go for it. Architecture is a tough profession. Many of us get caught in the cycle of long hours, condensed work schedules and demanding clients. But we love it all the same. Being able to manage stressful situations and communicate well are some key things to being successful. Architecture work also ranges from design, project management, drafting and so on. Most people find a niche and either stay there or grow into something else. Some of those positions require more communication than others. Some need more creativity, and some need more technical skills or attention to detail. It's all about understanding what you want to do and your own limits. To prepare yourself for architecture (or any intense profession) I recommend having stress management plans that work for you, practicing presenting and communicating in a team, and learning to manage your time better. The last one may require you add another commitment like work to force you to manage your time (I had to do that). Good luck! | 1 | 6,385 | 1.4 | ||
qj8lm6 | architecture_train | 0.87 | Just curious on many architects here have Autism/ADHD and if being an architect Is difficult in some way So like said I have ADHD and am on the spectrum is just curious to see if anyone else who is an architect or are an architect soon to be have either one or both of what I have, I'm just curious what's a positive and negative about this job profession with having these disorders, and I'll try to see if I can relatable to having the symptom (Autism can vary) and see if there any way to avoid this as much as possible so I prepare early for the future if I were to become an architect | hit7f6g | hjee1oc | 1,635,714,933 | 1,636,109,140 | 1 | 2 | I'm on the spectrum myself and want to try and become an architect, I found that if there's things I'm interested in I tend to learn very quickly and will put in the time. If you're like me with learning then doing more practical based learning helps, I'd recommend trying to find tools for hands on learning like CAD software, but I'm at the same stage as you. All I can really say is (based on being an autistic person not an architect or student) is if you're passionate about something your drive and determination will help a lot. | I'm an autistic Part 2, so not an architect, but got Distinctions and have two years experience of work in practice (I'm UK based). I would say there are strengths as well as weaknesses. I think it may be a Your mileage may vary kinda thing. My biggest issue has been the social expectations, and my preference to be collaborative rather than the classic standalone architect. I struggle to feel confident in saying a practice should hire me over another applicant - I don't know them, but they're probably better with people than me; how could I lie about that? My approach when faced with that kind of question is pure honesty - I explain my strengths and weaknesses relevant to the job and leave it up to my portfolio, references, and the interviewer to decide. I've always gotten an offer if I get to interview stage, so I think it works out. On the other hand, this is something of a strength in some ways - as I don't particularly want to stand out, and prefer collaborative work, I often became the one to be given the task of trying to bring headstrong 'planning' architects or developers around to a more mediated approach. Such as just including a small area for services at planning stage, because we know it will be required, and on this similar project we had to redo the plans this many times and it absorbed this much development time, yadda yadda. Whilst working, I often could not attend after work social events, and missed out on a lot of networking. However, knowing myself quite well, I am certain that attenting those events and completely dissociating would have been worse - not for me, but for my practice. I always helped with set up for these events, but would have to leave once too many people turned up. I did ensure I attended work dinners with colleagues, who were already accustomed to me, but didn't want to be detrimentally weird around potential clients. My autism enables me to store data and rules to the letter; my interest in accessibility meant I was quickly established (as a Part 1) as the person to come to for checking or making designs comply with the M(4) approved documents. I was even consulted at planning stage at one point and managed to argue the case (with the planning architect and later the developer) for increasing a couple of the plots on a large housing scheme by a few metres in size as it is almost certain that later down the line accessibility will be brought up as a requirement by the LHA (and having worked with similar schemes, I had seen this cause hiccups before and had a rough idea how much more space had needed to be added to correct this). Another strength of my autism in practice was that, when given a repetitive task (say, creating fire plans for each house type on a new development and listing where certain things wouldn't work along with the most efficient and enjoyable solution), I could be trusted to get on and complete it and leave meticulous notes (my 'meticulous' notes were almost an office joke, but greatly appreciated by my team leader and our head architect). I also was trusted to design and produce a Revit template compliant with BIM which enabled us to produce room data sheets for a laboratory project - there were over a hundred rooms, and the practice initially wanted to just do them by hand (in a BIM project!) but I managed to persuade them to be patient and wait a week for a tested template because I was certain it would save us time in the long run. With help from our informal BIM coordinator I had it done in four days and the entire labs RDS' were produced in a matter of days (it was actually printing the dang things to PDF and sending them out that took more time). In the end I'm certain this did save us about three weeks of time as of course, the client kept changing the spec of furnishings (especially lab storage, which I think went through three different brands and specs, and provision of sinks) and we went through several iterations on the entry/exit systems. My opinion on this (again, as a Part 1) was only trusted, I feel, because of my autism (indirectly) as I was known to be a patient and non-combatative stickler for rules and would never fudge things or overlook people not complying with basic BIM requirements (like not typing in the floor area on each sheet, but having it automatically generated by your plans.. saves a lot of time in the long run) but would happily go through and correct such things myself (though I would politely go privately query with the person responsible first) to ensure projects ran smoothly. Again, my meticulous notes were handy too, as I could simply hand them to anyone else who was encountering the new template for the first time and they'd be able to get on with it, no sweat. The final strength I can think of is that I love information. I get on well with contractors such as joiners because I am genuinely interested in what they have to say, in their specialist knowledge, and am able to remember their advice in future similar projects and adapt designs to be more efficient without compromising the experientiality or aesthetics. This again saves time in projects, and time costs the client. More affordable projects means better places to inhabit, because you're not wasting time correcting predictable oversights so you have more to spend on the other elements of design - daylighting, experientiality, aesthetics; and your client has more budget to work with. So, I list all of this in detail because I'm not sure how architecture works elsewhere. I think if I were less shy, better networked and better at selling myself, I could probably pick up freelance work in my area quite easily (but I am unable to commute to London and the local practices are not hiring, so I am out of work). If your area or country is super competitive, and your autism presents like mine, you might find yourself with a bigger struggle from weaknesses like I describe here. If not, you might find your approach to things and the way your brain processes information a great strength which puts you ahead of others in terms of employability. | 0 | 394,207 | 2 | ||
m2n77e | architecture_train | 0.86 | Which one is better for B.Arch, SCI-Arc or Pratt? Hi! I recently got into both SCI-Arc, LA and Pratt Institute, New York for B.Arch. I've received partial scholarship from both places so the cost of attending is pretty much equivalent for both. While living in New York would be a dream, LA seems equally exciting. As an international student, which would be a better place to attend, all things considered (quality of education, job prospects, cost of living, quality of life, social circles etc etc.)? Thank u!! | gqox6q5 | gqo0zu2 | 1,615,558,919 | 1,615,532,833 | 5 | 4 | Sciarc is possibly the best place to find yourself if you want to be either of the following. Interdisciplinary designer, architectural theorist, educator, product/graphic designer. At my stay there, I was exposed to some of the biggest players in the game, and any emerging theories, will likely be leaked at sciarc. You are given a very rigorous and in-depth design discipline. I was there from 2012 up until 2019, having been exposed to two directors and two pedagogical methods. The school in itself is a labyrinth of experiences, going from studio bay to bay. It's very immersive, so if you don't speak "architecture" , you will find yourself a drift, and might drop out. First year is a bit of a slow slope as you have to integrate yourself with the software. Eventually you'll pick up the skills quickly, as you are on a constant assignment basis. Expect to pay over and under you, this school is expensive as shit, and so very competitive. You will find yourself at thesis paying 5-15k on your project, but honestly so very worth it. It personally comes down to what you prefer from your architecture education. I may add, campus is very liberal, my peers had their pups with us in studio. I might be biased, but I couldn't have found a better place for myself. | I’ve lived in both cities and the one thing I will worn is SCI-Arc is in a weird spot in LA. It’s changed a lot through the years but definitely can get hair at night since you’re more or less butt up to skid row. Architecture students often work late and it’s not necessarily an environment I’d want be in commuting after a long day. Also LA without a car is a bitch. Additionally Pratt is just a bigger school. SCI-Arc is only architecture where Pratt has a range of design and art majors. So you just open yourself up to more people and classes. | 1 | 26,086 | 1.25 | ||
m2n77e | architecture_train | 0.86 | Which one is better for B.Arch, SCI-Arc or Pratt? Hi! I recently got into both SCI-Arc, LA and Pratt Institute, New York for B.Arch. I've received partial scholarship from both places so the cost of attending is pretty much equivalent for both. While living in New York would be a dream, LA seems equally exciting. As an international student, which would be a better place to attend, all things considered (quality of education, job prospects, cost of living, quality of life, social circles etc etc.)? Thank u!! | gqox6q5 | gqkm0z7 | 1,615,558,919 | 1,615,470,740 | 5 | 3 | Sciarc is possibly the best place to find yourself if you want to be either of the following. Interdisciplinary designer, architectural theorist, educator, product/graphic designer. At my stay there, I was exposed to some of the biggest players in the game, and any emerging theories, will likely be leaked at sciarc. You are given a very rigorous and in-depth design discipline. I was there from 2012 up until 2019, having been exposed to two directors and two pedagogical methods. The school in itself is a labyrinth of experiences, going from studio bay to bay. It's very immersive, so if you don't speak "architecture" , you will find yourself a drift, and might drop out. First year is a bit of a slow slope as you have to integrate yourself with the software. Eventually you'll pick up the skills quickly, as you are on a constant assignment basis. Expect to pay over and under you, this school is expensive as shit, and so very competitive. You will find yourself at thesis paying 5-15k on your project, but honestly so very worth it. It personally comes down to what you prefer from your architecture education. I may add, campus is very liberal, my peers had their pups with us in studio. I might be biased, but I couldn't have found a better place for myself. | Wow, you’ve hit the jackpot. I’m partial to Pratt, my Alma mater, but I would look at the professors and their work to see if it fits your interests. I would presume Sci-Arc is more progressive. And LA sure has nice weather. Which one makes it easier to get home? 5 years is a long time too, so consider where you want to be. Post back what you decide. | 1 | 88,179 | 1.666667 | ||
m2n77e | architecture_train | 0.86 | Which one is better for B.Arch, SCI-Arc or Pratt? Hi! I recently got into both SCI-Arc, LA and Pratt Institute, New York for B.Arch. I've received partial scholarship from both places so the cost of attending is pretty much equivalent for both. While living in New York would be a dream, LA seems equally exciting. As an international student, which would be a better place to attend, all things considered (quality of education, job prospects, cost of living, quality of life, social circles etc etc.)? Thank u!! | gqkmvca | gqkm0z7 | 1,615,471,194 | 1,615,470,740 | 5 | 3 | I think both schools would situate you well for the job market in their respective cities. I work in New York City and frequently come into contact with many Pratt grads. Pratt is in Brooklyn, so the cost of living is ever so slightly lower than in Manhattan. Though there are websites that let you check cost of living indexes. Personally, I live in Brooklyn and I love it. Wouldn’t move to the city (Manhattan) if you paid me. I also lived in LA for a while and loved it too. As far as meeting people and making friends, speaking anecdotally, New York might be a slightly easier place to do it. You won’t have a car and you’ll ride the subway everywhere, and the city’s density means you’re always meeting many new people all the time (not as true right now, but definitely truer in non-covid times) I’m not sure what the job market is like in LA, but here in New York the job market for architecture is very diverse. From small, young firms to more established corporate and academic offices. I’m sure LA is no different. I’d research each city and decide what about each school appeals to you most and go with your gut! Good luck! | Wow, you’ve hit the jackpot. I’m partial to Pratt, my Alma mater, but I would look at the professors and their work to see if it fits your interests. I would presume Sci-Arc is more progressive. And LA sure has nice weather. Which one makes it easier to get home? 5 years is a long time too, so consider where you want to be. Post back what you decide. | 1 | 454 | 1.666667 | ||
m2n77e | architecture_train | 0.86 | Which one is better for B.Arch, SCI-Arc or Pratt? Hi! I recently got into both SCI-Arc, LA and Pratt Institute, New York for B.Arch. I've received partial scholarship from both places so the cost of attending is pretty much equivalent for both. While living in New York would be a dream, LA seems equally exciting. As an international student, which would be a better place to attend, all things considered (quality of education, job prospects, cost of living, quality of life, social circles etc etc.)? Thank u!! | gqkm0z7 | gqo0zu2 | 1,615,470,740 | 1,615,532,833 | 3 | 4 | Wow, you’ve hit the jackpot. I’m partial to Pratt, my Alma mater, but I would look at the professors and their work to see if it fits your interests. I would presume Sci-Arc is more progressive. And LA sure has nice weather. Which one makes it easier to get home? 5 years is a long time too, so consider where you want to be. Post back what you decide. | I’ve lived in both cities and the one thing I will worn is SCI-Arc is in a weird spot in LA. It’s changed a lot through the years but definitely can get hair at night since you’re more or less butt up to skid row. Architecture students often work late and it’s not necessarily an environment I’d want be in commuting after a long day. Also LA without a car is a bitch. Additionally Pratt is just a bigger school. SCI-Arc is only architecture where Pratt has a range of design and art majors. So you just open yourself up to more people and classes. | 0 | 62,093 | 1.333333 | ||
m2n77e | architecture_train | 0.86 | Which one is better for B.Arch, SCI-Arc or Pratt? Hi! I recently got into both SCI-Arc, LA and Pratt Institute, New York for B.Arch. I've received partial scholarship from both places so the cost of attending is pretty much equivalent for both. While living in New York would be a dream, LA seems equally exciting. As an international student, which would be a better place to attend, all things considered (quality of education, job prospects, cost of living, quality of life, social circles etc etc.)? Thank u!! | gqkm0z7 | gqtjp9g | 1,615,470,740 | 1,615,659,485 | 3 | 4 | Wow, you’ve hit the jackpot. I’m partial to Pratt, my Alma mater, but I would look at the professors and their work to see if it fits your interests. I would presume Sci-Arc is more progressive. And LA sure has nice weather. Which one makes it easier to get home? 5 years is a long time too, so consider where you want to be. Post back what you decide. | Easy choice for me nyc !!! I would go to Pratt. To study architecture and have some many elements of urban fabric and infrastructure and of course iconic and not so iconic bldgs right in your backyard is unmatched. LA has some cool history too but the culture and general progressiveness of Southern California is ass backwards. | 0 | 188,745 | 1.333333 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu7ubxg | eu7uv5p | 1,563,543,073 | 1,563,543,445 | 10 | 19 | Clients that don’t know what they want. If a new client starts by saying they want something “timeless”, I know I’m in for a rough start to the project. | First thought that comes to mind in answer to the question in the OP is control freaks. A lead designer who would rather work 60 hours a week and complain about it, rather than accept meaningful help. The boss - who is the boss by virtue of being the one who brings in the work - who has to make the rules about things that could be left to those with more expertise. The project architect who has to have a drawing set filled with excess views mostly just because Revit can produce it. Or ten half-baked details of the same brick wall. So yep, the thing that drives me crazy in this business is control freaks. | 0 | 372 | 1.9 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8w8fi | eu7ubxg | 1,563,566,120 | 1,563,543,073 | 11 | 10 | Clients, drawings, contractors, waking up in the morning, staying late, shitty racist dogwhistling old men, no woman coworkers, shitty oppulent intelligensia, shitty coffee, all my friends are in debt, test fees, idx, zoning and code review, shitty sanctimonious know it all coworkers, being forced to rent my labor under threat of destitution under austere neo-liberal capitalism, shitty passive aggressive nit picks instead of performance reviews, little PTO, few benefits, low pay and high schooling, and of course being part of the problems of climate collapse and not being able to do anything about because i sit at the bottom of a totalitariam coercive heirarchy. Also did i mention shitty coffee? This would all be tolerable if the coffee were better. You know. Basically the whole thing | Clients that don’t know what they want. If a new client starts by saying they want something “timeless”, I know I’m in for a rough start to the project. | 1 | 23,047 | 1.1 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8fl5a | eu8w8fi | 1,563,556,091 | 1,563,566,120 | 6 | 11 | Architects and contractors who don’t understand image licensing. No, you can’t just steal any picture on the internet and repost it. Also architects who don’t pay for decent photography. Images travel, buildings don’t. | Clients, drawings, contractors, waking up in the morning, staying late, shitty racist dogwhistling old men, no woman coworkers, shitty oppulent intelligensia, shitty coffee, all my friends are in debt, test fees, idx, zoning and code review, shitty sanctimonious know it all coworkers, being forced to rent my labor under threat of destitution under austere neo-liberal capitalism, shitty passive aggressive nit picks instead of performance reviews, little PTO, few benefits, low pay and high schooling, and of course being part of the problems of climate collapse and not being able to do anything about because i sit at the bottom of a totalitariam coercive heirarchy. Also did i mention shitty coffee? This would all be tolerable if the coffee were better. You know. Basically the whole thing | 0 | 10,029 | 1.833333 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8mkn1 | eu8w8fi | 1,563,560,060 | 1,563,566,120 | 5 | 11 | Lay people that think they know how Architecture works as a profession. Even worse are untrained draftspeople or interior decorators that think they know how to design, but only marginally. Systems for design and document production that skip project phases are a big irritation. Designing with a full scale model (your building...) is generally a bad idea. Stakeholders who refuse to accept the reality of cause and effect can be a big problem, especially if they can't grasp the "big picture" view of a project. Sort of a can't see the forest but that one tree has to change kind of thing. Yes, its satisfying, because I like seeing things built. North America. | Clients, drawings, contractors, waking up in the morning, staying late, shitty racist dogwhistling old men, no woman coworkers, shitty oppulent intelligensia, shitty coffee, all my friends are in debt, test fees, idx, zoning and code review, shitty sanctimonious know it all coworkers, being forced to rent my labor under threat of destitution under austere neo-liberal capitalism, shitty passive aggressive nit picks instead of performance reviews, little PTO, few benefits, low pay and high schooling, and of course being part of the problems of climate collapse and not being able to do anything about because i sit at the bottom of a totalitariam coercive heirarchy. Also did i mention shitty coffee? This would all be tolerable if the coffee were better. You know. Basically the whole thing | 0 | 6,060 | 2.2 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu873zo | eu8w8fi | 1,563,551,108 | 1,563,566,120 | 4 | 11 | My biggest Peeve other than the control freaks as already mentioned is the clients that just don't get it and don't want to pay. | Clients, drawings, contractors, waking up in the morning, staying late, shitty racist dogwhistling old men, no woman coworkers, shitty oppulent intelligensia, shitty coffee, all my friends are in debt, test fees, idx, zoning and code review, shitty sanctimonious know it all coworkers, being forced to rent my labor under threat of destitution under austere neo-liberal capitalism, shitty passive aggressive nit picks instead of performance reviews, little PTO, few benefits, low pay and high schooling, and of course being part of the problems of climate collapse and not being able to do anything about because i sit at the bottom of a totalitariam coercive heirarchy. Also did i mention shitty coffee? This would all be tolerable if the coffee were better. You know. Basically the whole thing | 0 | 15,012 | 2.75 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8w8fi | eu88led | 1,563,566,120 | 1,563,552,002 | 11 | 5 | Clients, drawings, contractors, waking up in the morning, staying late, shitty racist dogwhistling old men, no woman coworkers, shitty oppulent intelligensia, shitty coffee, all my friends are in debt, test fees, idx, zoning and code review, shitty sanctimonious know it all coworkers, being forced to rent my labor under threat of destitution under austere neo-liberal capitalism, shitty passive aggressive nit picks instead of performance reviews, little PTO, few benefits, low pay and high schooling, and of course being part of the problems of climate collapse and not being able to do anything about because i sit at the bottom of a totalitariam coercive heirarchy. Also did i mention shitty coffee? This would all be tolerable if the coffee were better. You know. Basically the whole thing | Client peeve: not caring about sustainability or not willing to put money into better insulation / STC ratings. Coworker peeve: Not thinking through how something will actually be constructed. | 1 | 14,118 | 2.2 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu873zo | eu8fl5a | 1,563,551,108 | 1,563,556,091 | 4 | 6 | My biggest Peeve other than the control freaks as already mentioned is the clients that just don't get it and don't want to pay. | Architects and contractors who don’t understand image licensing. No, you can’t just steal any picture on the internet and repost it. Also architects who don’t pay for decent photography. Images travel, buildings don’t. | 0 | 4,983 | 1.5 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8fl5a | eu88led | 1,563,556,091 | 1,563,552,002 | 6 | 5 | Architects and contractors who don’t understand image licensing. No, you can’t just steal any picture on the internet and repost it. Also architects who don’t pay for decent photography. Images travel, buildings don’t. | Client peeve: not caring about sustainability or not willing to put money into better insulation / STC ratings. Coworker peeve: Not thinking through how something will actually be constructed. | 1 | 4,089 | 1.2 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu8mkn1 | eu873zo | 1,563,560,060 | 1,563,551,108 | 5 | 4 | Lay people that think they know how Architecture works as a profession. Even worse are untrained draftspeople or interior decorators that think they know how to design, but only marginally. Systems for design and document production that skip project phases are a big irritation. Designing with a full scale model (your building...) is generally a bad idea. Stakeholders who refuse to accept the reality of cause and effect can be a big problem, especially if they can't grasp the "big picture" view of a project. Sort of a can't see the forest but that one tree has to change kind of thing. Yes, its satisfying, because I like seeing things built. North America. | My biggest Peeve other than the control freaks as already mentioned is the clients that just don't get it and don't want to pay. | 1 | 8,952 | 1.25 | ||
cf6vuh | architecture_train | 1 | [ask] What drives you crazy in the architecture industry? I have heard pretty disturbing opinions, from my friends that work in the architecture industry. I thought it's a nice topic to share different reflections and experiences about it and what doesn't work well. So below I wrote few questions as a reference. What drives you crazy in the architecture industry ? Is it the system, company policy, project stakeholders or mediators ? Is there something that notorious repeat even in different offices, that you would like to improve? Is the architecture career satisfying? Why not? Which part of the world are you from ? | eu873zo | eu88led | 1,563,551,108 | 1,563,552,002 | 4 | 5 | My biggest Peeve other than the control freaks as already mentioned is the clients that just don't get it and don't want to pay. | Client peeve: not caring about sustainability or not willing to put money into better insulation / STC ratings. Coworker peeve: Not thinking through how something will actually be constructed. | 0 | 894 | 1.25 | ||
8z2ukm | architecture_train | 1 | [Ask] Ways to efficiently improve the rendering process in an office? I've been tasked with handling renderings for the second phase of a competition. The first go around, we made a half finished model that had the basics, saved the views, and then built up the model in the areas where the views were taken from, then rendered those views, post production, etc. The problem with this though is that the principal of the project up to the very last second was making us do tweakings to the model that shouold of been suggested earlier, instead of when we are trying hit the render button and bringing it into photoshop, which slowed down the entire process. So I'm curious to know how this is done at other practices? Is this normal at other firms? I'm trying to make this phase a lot more efficient and wanted to know what workflow others have tried. | e2fzhjx | e2ga3ap | 1,531,684,630 | 1,531,695,412 | 1 | 5 | Outsource it. Seriously, a professional who does visualizations and renderings can do it much faster and better. Do you have enough processing power to even render quickly with good quality? We build the raw 3D model but detailing (assets), texture and rendering is all done externally. | Have you tried Lumion? It may be expensive, but you get great results fast. Last minute changes are easy to fix since you can sync models. If it's for a competition, outsourcing may be worthwhile though. | 0 | 10,782 | 5 | ||
81qslz | architecture_train | 0.87 | Best place to sell my used Architecture books? Sorry for being an [ask]hole Hi all, I'm moving to London to complete my Architecture degree. It's obviously eye-wateringly expensive to live there so I need some cash. I've decided a good place to start might b e selling my old architecture books. I've got tonnes of them, some with little notes and highlighted section of things that interested me. Anyone know of a good place to start selling my dearly beloved books? Thanks in advance! You gotta put [ask] in the title best pun I could think of Ollie | dv4km4z | dv4ngl2 | 1,520,097,310 | 1,520,100,632 | 1 | 8 | Either Amazon or go to the nearest arch school and see if they will let you sell there. | I honestly wouldn't go the route of selling your books unless you seriously don't need them. The reason why I say this is that selling books isn't going to help the long-term mission of living in a city such as London - a job will. | 0 | 3,322 | 8 | ||
81qslz | architecture_train | 0.87 | Best place to sell my used Architecture books? Sorry for being an [ask]hole Hi all, I'm moving to London to complete my Architecture degree. It's obviously eye-wateringly expensive to live there so I need some cash. I've decided a good place to start might b e selling my old architecture books. I've got tonnes of them, some with little notes and highlighted section of things that interested me. Anyone know of a good place to start selling my dearly beloved books? Thanks in advance! You gotta put [ask] in the title best pun I could think of Ollie | dv4uc0u | dv4km4z | 1,520,108,497 | 1,520,097,310 | 3 | 1 | >my dearly beloved books Cut back elsewhere if possible. | Either Amazon or go to the nearest arch school and see if they will let you sell there. | 1 | 11,187 | 3 | ||
81qslz | architecture_train | 0.87 | Best place to sell my used Architecture books? Sorry for being an [ask]hole Hi all, I'm moving to London to complete my Architecture degree. It's obviously eye-wateringly expensive to live there so I need some cash. I've decided a good place to start might b e selling my old architecture books. I've got tonnes of them, some with little notes and highlighted section of things that interested me. Anyone know of a good place to start selling my dearly beloved books? Thanks in advance! You gotta put [ask] in the title best pun I could think of Ollie | dv4uc0u | dv4u7dh | 1,520,108,497 | 1,520,108,348 | 3 | 1 | >my dearly beloved books Cut back elsewhere if possible. | Where are you going to study? Bartlett, AA, Greenwich? | 1 | 149 | 3 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duahtsi | duacqkv | 1,518,711,405 | 1,518,706,090 | 15 | 2 | Try Harvard GSD’s free online course called “The Architectural Imagination.” It’s a wide ranging introduction to architecture and beautifully done. http://campaign.gsd.harvard.edu/gsd_news/architectural-imagination-2/ | What exactly do you want to learn? "History and theory" has little to nothing to do with the actual profession. | 1 | 5,315 | 7.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duahtsi | duahrdk | 1,518,711,405 | 1,518,711,343 | 15 | 2 | Try Harvard GSD’s free online course called “The Architectural Imagination.” It’s a wide ranging introduction to architecture and beautifully done. http://campaign.gsd.harvard.edu/gsd_news/architectural-imagination-2/ | Think that I could possibly help you out quite a bit. If I am not mistaken, I still have access to my Part 1 University moodle with all lecture slides from History&Theory module. Let me know what kind of era/architecture style you are interested in and I'll upload them to google drive for you. | 1 | 62 | 7.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duarrdb | dualvv3 | 1,518,720,766 | 1,518,715,279 | 13 | 3 | Find a friend to verbally abuse you and tell you all your ideas are terrible, start sleeping 5 hours every night, and spend all your free money on pieces of wood. Tada, you have the architecture experience! ^(just joking... kind of lol) | I'd recommend Neufert's Architect's Data. Its basically bible for architects(at least European ones) - in a practical way. It covers 90% of what modern architect should know to apply his knowledge in practice. From basics of design down to very detailed drawings depicting distances between dishwasher and counter in a fast-food bar. | 1 | 5,487 | 4.333333 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duarrdb | duacqkv | 1,518,720,766 | 1,518,706,090 | 13 | 2 | Find a friend to verbally abuse you and tell you all your ideas are terrible, start sleeping 5 hours every night, and spend all your free money on pieces of wood. Tada, you have the architecture experience! ^(just joking... kind of lol) | What exactly do you want to learn? "History and theory" has little to nothing to do with the actual profession. | 1 | 14,676 | 6.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duahrdk | duarrdb | 1,518,711,343 | 1,518,720,766 | 2 | 13 | Think that I could possibly help you out quite a bit. If I am not mistaken, I still have access to my Part 1 University moodle with all lecture slides from History&Theory module. Let me know what kind of era/architecture style you are interested in and I'll upload them to google drive for you. | Find a friend to verbally abuse you and tell you all your ideas are terrible, start sleeping 5 hours every night, and spend all your free money on pieces of wood. Tada, you have the architecture experience! ^(just joking... kind of lol) | 0 | 9,423 | 6.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | duarrdb | duaof93 | 1,518,720,766 | 1,518,717,670 | 13 | 2 | Find a friend to verbally abuse you and tell you all your ideas are terrible, start sleeping 5 hours every night, and spend all your free money on pieces of wood. Tada, you have the architecture experience! ^(just joking... kind of lol) | 'World history of architecture ' for the basics of various movements. For a good insight into what goes on in practice I recommend 'studio talk. If you can find it. It is interviews with 15 prominent architects. Edit: it is Japanese and English. Isbn 487140658x c1052 | 1 | 3,096 | 6.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | dualvv3 | duacqkv | 1,518,715,279 | 1,518,706,090 | 3 | 2 | I'd recommend Neufert's Architect's Data. Its basically bible for architects(at least European ones) - in a practical way. It covers 90% of what modern architect should know to apply his knowledge in practice. From basics of design down to very detailed drawings depicting distances between dishwasher and counter in a fast-food bar. | What exactly do you want to learn? "History and theory" has little to nothing to do with the actual profession. | 1 | 9,189 | 1.5 | ||
7xqran | architecture_train | 0.86 | [ask] Best way to teach myself? I would really like to learn more about your practice. I find it fascinating. I currently work in an arts and architecture library so I'm surrounded by resources constantly, but I just don't know where to start. I was hoping that someone might be willing to share any syllabi that they've saved or a good lecture series online, so I can follow a kind of curricular progression, but any recommendations are welcome. I don't really have a desire to practice architecture myself, so I have a stronger interest in the history and theory rather than design, but I'm open to suggestions if you think that it would help my understanding. | dualvv3 | duahrdk | 1,518,715,279 | 1,518,711,343 | 3 | 2 | I'd recommend Neufert's Architect's Data. Its basically bible for architects(at least European ones) - in a practical way. It covers 90% of what modern architect should know to apply his knowledge in practice. From basics of design down to very detailed drawings depicting distances between dishwasher and counter in a fast-food bar. | Think that I could possibly help you out quite a bit. If I am not mistaken, I still have access to my Part 1 University moodle with all lecture slides from History&Theory module. Let me know what kind of era/architecture style you are interested in and I'll upload them to google drive for you. | 1 | 3,936 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhbyms | hwhd9mm | 1,644,567,194 | 1,644,568,220 | 9 | 19 | This isn't the culture at all offices. | Smaller firms have a much better work-life balance than the larger firms. You may not work on award-winning, prestigious projects, but you'll be happy. | 0 | 1,026 | 2.111111 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhjisc | hwi64oj | 1,644,573,348 | 1,644,587,911 | 5 | 7 | 50 hrs a week happens, but it shouldn’t be every week. You absolutely should have health insurance. I haven’t seen a big swing between bachelor vs. masters degrees (west coast and Rockies) — curious where you are? NYC by chance? I agree with the other posts— this culture of 120% for little reward isn’t consistent everywhere. The job market is great right now. Maybe consider a “move”. | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | 0 | 14,563 | 1.4 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhwoht | hwi64oj | 1,644,582,991 | 1,644,587,911 | 4 | 7 | Not all firms are like this. The principles at the firm I work for actually softly scolded me for not taking enough time off work. And when I offered to work overtime the other day, they encouraged me to rest to avoid burnout, even though we have a deadline this week. I’m also paid hourly, so anytime I work over 40 hours a week, I get paid time and a half. We also get decent bonuses, raises, and benefits. It’s a smaller firm, about 10 people. I still think I’m underpaid, but it could be worse. Maybe it’s time to look around at other firms to work for? | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | 0 | 4,920 | 1.75 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhfseq | hwi64oj | 1,644,570,269 | 1,644,587,911 | 4 | 7 | Yeah, I always think to myself if I could choose my uni degree again I would've gone for finance related stuff. Work same hours and get paid tons more and retire early. But I don't really know cause most finance guys have shitty attitude compared to architects. | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | 0 | 17,642 | 1.75 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi64oj | hwhl3we | 1,644,587,911 | 1,644,574,665 | 7 | 4 | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | Ah yes welcome to Architecture, the only place it makes sense to spend $150k and 6+ years of school to enter the workforce at $40k and be exploited for cheap labor well into your mid to late 30s by antiquated boomer politics👍 ! Blame academia. It’s done a great job at NOT preparing you to be profitable in practice, hence, the obscenely low wages you will see well throughout your young career. It’s also conditioned you to think working brutally long hours and not sleeping or having a social life is a good thing! Firms love this. But hey you’re a great designer and have a commoditized skill that apparently is so useful because, you know, it pays so well… I feel you man. It sucks. But there are serious problems in the industry that are a result of many things. Academia, Industry leadership, our professional organizations, etc. Firms undercut each other to get commissions, clients exploit us causing a race to the bottom in wages. So the only way to make profit is to meet ridiculous deadlines since everything we do is hourly. Poor leadership has run this industry to the ground. The AIA has done a terrible job at advocating our value as professionals and because of what our boomer leaders have done we are left to pick up the pieces. That’s the industry in a nutshell. I do think there are some things wrong with your employment though, you should definitely have health insurance. Some firms do pay overtime. And you look better getting more done in less time than slaving away. Have some boundaries. It gets better the more you learn to navigate this field. Extract so much from the industry that you can ask for what you want because you are valuable. It’s a slow and patient career. And if you’re not happy, find a different firm! There is so much work right now and you will have no problem. Good luck! | 1 | 13,246 | 1.75 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi64oj | hwi06og | 1,644,587,911 | 1,644,584,966 | 7 | 4 | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | Bachelors in Architecture grad here. Went on to work in construction because of more money quicker. I am finding that I miss my passion, but can’t bring myself to go back to school. One thing I will say after 10 years in the work force is it’s all about the company culture. If you work hard enough you can find it and not forfeit compensation. | 1 | 2,945 | 1.75 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi39ps | hwi64oj | 1,644,586,552 | 1,644,587,911 | 2 | 7 | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | 0 | 1,359 | 3.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhocee | hwi64oj | 1,644,577,279 | 1,644,587,911 | -5 | 7 | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | >"we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". I have a word for this but it's not allowed on reddit. People who say this betray young people the most. | 0 | 10,632 | -1.4 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi8spt | hwhjisc | 1,644,589,108 | 1,644,573,348 | 6 | 5 | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | 50 hrs a week happens, but it shouldn’t be every week. You absolutely should have health insurance. I haven’t seen a big swing between bachelor vs. masters degrees (west coast and Rockies) — curious where you are? NYC by chance? I agree with the other posts— this culture of 120% for little reward isn’t consistent everywhere. The job market is great right now. Maybe consider a “move”. | 1 | 15,760 | 1.2 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhfseq | hwhjisc | 1,644,570,269 | 1,644,573,348 | 4 | 5 | Yeah, I always think to myself if I could choose my uni degree again I would've gone for finance related stuff. Work same hours and get paid tons more and retire early. But I don't really know cause most finance guys have shitty attitude compared to architects. | 50 hrs a week happens, but it shouldn’t be every week. You absolutely should have health insurance. I haven’t seen a big swing between bachelor vs. masters degrees (west coast and Rockies) — curious where you are? NYC by chance? I agree with the other posts— this culture of 120% for little reward isn’t consistent everywhere. The job market is great right now. Maybe consider a “move”. | 0 | 3,079 | 1.25 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhwoht | hwi8spt | 1,644,582,991 | 1,644,589,108 | 4 | 6 | Not all firms are like this. The principles at the firm I work for actually softly scolded me for not taking enough time off work. And when I offered to work overtime the other day, they encouraged me to rest to avoid burnout, even though we have a deadline this week. I’m also paid hourly, so anytime I work over 40 hours a week, I get paid time and a half. We also get decent bonuses, raises, and benefits. It’s a smaller firm, about 10 people. I still think I’m underpaid, but it could be worse. Maybe it’s time to look around at other firms to work for? | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | 0 | 6,117 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhwoht | hwqjvs1 | 1,644,582,991 | 1,644,725,573 | 4 | 5 | Not all firms are like this. The principles at the firm I work for actually softly scolded me for not taking enough time off work. And when I offered to work overtime the other day, they encouraged me to rest to avoid burnout, even though we have a deadline this week. I’m also paid hourly, so anytime I work over 40 hours a week, I get paid time and a half. We also get decent bonuses, raises, and benefits. It’s a smaller firm, about 10 people. I still think I’m underpaid, but it could be worse. Maybe it’s time to look around at other firms to work for? | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | 0 | 142,582 | 1.25 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhocee | hwhwoht | 1,644,577,279 | 1,644,582,991 | -5 | 4 | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | Not all firms are like this. The principles at the firm I work for actually softly scolded me for not taking enough time off work. And when I offered to work overtime the other day, they encouraged me to rest to avoid burnout, even though we have a deadline this week. I’m also paid hourly, so anytime I work over 40 hours a week, I get paid time and a half. We also get decent bonuses, raises, and benefits. It’s a smaller firm, about 10 people. I still think I’m underpaid, but it could be worse. Maybe it’s time to look around at other firms to work for? | 0 | 5,712 | -0.8 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi8spt | hwhfseq | 1,644,589,108 | 1,644,570,269 | 6 | 4 | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | Yeah, I always think to myself if I could choose my uni degree again I would've gone for finance related stuff. Work same hours and get paid tons more and retire early. But I don't really know cause most finance guys have shitty attitude compared to architects. | 1 | 18,839 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi8spt | hwhl3we | 1,644,589,108 | 1,644,574,665 | 6 | 4 | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | Ah yes welcome to Architecture, the only place it makes sense to spend $150k and 6+ years of school to enter the workforce at $40k and be exploited for cheap labor well into your mid to late 30s by antiquated boomer politics👍 ! Blame academia. It’s done a great job at NOT preparing you to be profitable in practice, hence, the obscenely low wages you will see well throughout your young career. It’s also conditioned you to think working brutally long hours and not sleeping or having a social life is a good thing! Firms love this. But hey you’re a great designer and have a commoditized skill that apparently is so useful because, you know, it pays so well… I feel you man. It sucks. But there are serious problems in the industry that are a result of many things. Academia, Industry leadership, our professional organizations, etc. Firms undercut each other to get commissions, clients exploit us causing a race to the bottom in wages. So the only way to make profit is to meet ridiculous deadlines since everything we do is hourly. Poor leadership has run this industry to the ground. The AIA has done a terrible job at advocating our value as professionals and because of what our boomer leaders have done we are left to pick up the pieces. That’s the industry in a nutshell. I do think there are some things wrong with your employment though, you should definitely have health insurance. Some firms do pay overtime. And you look better getting more done in less time than slaving away. Have some boundaries. It gets better the more you learn to navigate this field. Extract so much from the industry that you can ask for what you want because you are valuable. It’s a slow and patient career. And if you’re not happy, find a different firm! There is so much work right now and you will have no problem. Good luck! | 1 | 14,443 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi8spt | hwi06og | 1,644,589,108 | 1,644,584,966 | 6 | 4 | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | Bachelors in Architecture grad here. Went on to work in construction because of more money quicker. I am finding that I miss my passion, but can’t bring myself to go back to school. One thing I will say after 10 years in the work force is it’s all about the company culture. If you work hard enough you can find it and not forfeit compensation. | 1 | 4,142 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi39ps | hwi8spt | 1,644,586,552 | 1,644,589,108 | 2 | 6 | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | 0 | 2,556 | 3 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhocee | hwi8spt | 1,644,577,279 | 1,644,589,108 | -5 | 6 | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | Lol I'm bout to leave the industry for better money and lifestyle. I gotta think 5-10 years time when money will be needed badly. Yea just the low pay, hard work and the constant stress is not worth for me. | 0 | 11,829 | -1.2 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhfseq | hwqjvs1 | 1,644,570,269 | 1,644,725,573 | 4 | 5 | Yeah, I always think to myself if I could choose my uni degree again I would've gone for finance related stuff. Work same hours and get paid tons more and retire early. But I don't really know cause most finance guys have shitty attitude compared to architects. | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | 0 | 155,304 | 1.25 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwhl3we | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,574,665 | 5 | 4 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Ah yes welcome to Architecture, the only place it makes sense to spend $150k and 6+ years of school to enter the workforce at $40k and be exploited for cheap labor well into your mid to late 30s by antiquated boomer politics👍 ! Blame academia. It’s done a great job at NOT preparing you to be profitable in practice, hence, the obscenely low wages you will see well throughout your young career. It’s also conditioned you to think working brutally long hours and not sleeping or having a social life is a good thing! Firms love this. But hey you’re a great designer and have a commoditized skill that apparently is so useful because, you know, it pays so well… I feel you man. It sucks. But there are serious problems in the industry that are a result of many things. Academia, Industry leadership, our professional organizations, etc. Firms undercut each other to get commissions, clients exploit us causing a race to the bottom in wages. So the only way to make profit is to meet ridiculous deadlines since everything we do is hourly. Poor leadership has run this industry to the ground. The AIA has done a terrible job at advocating our value as professionals and because of what our boomer leaders have done we are left to pick up the pieces. That’s the industry in a nutshell. I do think there are some things wrong with your employment though, you should definitely have health insurance. Some firms do pay overtime. And you look better getting more done in less time than slaving away. Have some boundaries. It gets better the more you learn to navigate this field. Extract so much from the industry that you can ask for what you want because you are valuable. It’s a slow and patient career. And if you’re not happy, find a different firm! There is so much work right now and you will have no problem. Good luck! | 1 | 150,908 | 1.25 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwi06og | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,584,966 | 5 | 4 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Bachelors in Architecture grad here. Went on to work in construction because of more money quicker. I am finding that I miss my passion, but can’t bring myself to go back to school. One thing I will say after 10 years in the work force is it’s all about the company culture. If you work hard enough you can find it and not forfeit compensation. | 1 | 140,607 | 1.25 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi06og | hwhocee | 1,644,584,966 | 1,644,577,279 | 4 | -5 | Bachelors in Architecture grad here. Went on to work in construction because of more money quicker. I am finding that I miss my passion, but can’t bring myself to go back to school. One thing I will say after 10 years in the work force is it’s all about the company culture. If you work hard enough you can find it and not forfeit compensation. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 7,687 | -0.8 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwilhgc | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,594,243 | 5 | 3 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Save up some "fuck you money." Refuse to work overtime without pay. Quit on the spot if you are being overworked w/o pay. (Because of your new found "fuck you money") | 1 | 131,330 | 1.666667 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwj374g | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,600,831 | 5 | 3 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Considering the schooling and credentials required to be an architect, yes, the pay is crap. That’s true of the whole industry though. Otherwise, it sounds like you don’t have a very good employer. Here is my situation: My typical week is 40-45 hours. I think the longest week I ever worked was 65 hours and that was over 10 years ago. My salary is average but I have excellent benefits, generous vacation time, and get annual bonuses. The firm has an ESOP, so I have an ownership stake and that value contributes to my retirement savings. My advice is to look for other jobs: There are better firms out there. I work for a big firm and have found there can wildly different work cultures in different studios within the same business. And one thing I learned about those guys who work 80 hours per week: They may be *at* work but they aren’t accomplishing insane amounts of work. They are at work because they don’t *want* to go home. They use work to hide from their spouse, kids, or whatever else in their personal lives they are trying to avoid. | 1 | 124,742 | 1.666667 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwi39ps | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,586,552 | 5 | 2 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | 1 | 139,021 | 2.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwj3784 | hwqjvs1 | 1,644,600,832 | 1,644,725,573 | 2 | 5 | I was at a firm like the one you are describing, Got let go and it was the greatest thing for me. I’m at a company now that pays me well with no required OT. Find a firm that fits your values. | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | 0 | 124,741 | 2.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwjcfhb | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,604,194 | 5 | 2 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | you gotta switch firms man. i switched mine. went from working 16h a day to now 8-10h usually… sometimes pull a late night here and there. | 1 | 121,379 | 2.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwkoxdc | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,622,572 | 5 | -2 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Its just your perspective - Try working in a job such as sewer pipe repair, and in the winter. I still remind myself of the 15yr old me working a summer job in the sod field, busting sod. It was miserable when our fancy tractor pulled machines died and we had to use the "jitterbug" to slice off the turf, and then by hand we rolled the strips and neatly stacked them in 90+ degree summer sauna of a Maryland summer. You may feel smug that you have an education and did not sign up for that. But in fact you did sign up for architecture, and it's not that bad. Find another job which you like. There are only a few which most would like to have and there is a waiting line for them. Try teaching K-12. If you think drawing in a comfy office is mind killing. Teachers, can't even step out of their class room to pee when the urge calls. And they have an education. Its all perspective. | 1 | 103,001 | -2.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwqjvs1 | hwhocee | 1,644,725,573 | 1,644,577,279 | 5 | -5 | I notice a lot of people suggesting you switch firms, and while I agree that's a great solution for you, it doesn't solve the problem. Someone else will take your job after you, someone else's labor will be exploited, and likely yours will continue to be. it's time for us to stop acknowledging how toxic our work environments have become and start working to change it. We are literally in a service industry, why cant we serve ourselves? | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 148,294 | -1 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwilhgc | hwi39ps | 1,644,594,243 | 1,644,586,552 | 3 | 2 | Save up some "fuck you money." Refuse to work overtime without pay. Quit on the spot if you are being overworked w/o pay. (Because of your new found "fuck you money") | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | 1 | 7,691 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwilhgc | hwhocee | 1,644,594,243 | 1,644,577,279 | 3 | -5 | Save up some "fuck you money." Refuse to work overtime without pay. Quit on the spot if you are being overworked w/o pay. (Because of your new found "fuck you money") | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 16,964 | -0.6 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi39ps | hwj374g | 1,644,586,552 | 1,644,600,831 | 2 | 3 | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | Considering the schooling and credentials required to be an architect, yes, the pay is crap. That’s true of the whole industry though. Otherwise, it sounds like you don’t have a very good employer. Here is my situation: My typical week is 40-45 hours. I think the longest week I ever worked was 65 hours and that was over 10 years ago. My salary is average but I have excellent benefits, generous vacation time, and get annual bonuses. The firm has an ESOP, so I have an ownership stake and that value contributes to my retirement savings. My advice is to look for other jobs: There are better firms out there. I work for a big firm and have found there can wildly different work cultures in different studios within the same business. And one thing I learned about those guys who work 80 hours per week: They may be *at* work but they aren’t accomplishing insane amounts of work. They are at work because they don’t *want* to go home. They use work to hide from their spouse, kids, or whatever else in their personal lives they are trying to avoid. | 0 | 14,279 | 1.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwhocee | hwj374g | 1,644,577,279 | 1,644,600,831 | -5 | 3 | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | Considering the schooling and credentials required to be an architect, yes, the pay is crap. That’s true of the whole industry though. Otherwise, it sounds like you don’t have a very good employer. Here is my situation: My typical week is 40-45 hours. I think the longest week I ever worked was 65 hours and that was over 10 years ago. My salary is average but I have excellent benefits, generous vacation time, and get annual bonuses. The firm has an ESOP, so I have an ownership stake and that value contributes to my retirement savings. My advice is to look for other jobs: There are better firms out there. I work for a big firm and have found there can wildly different work cultures in different studios within the same business. And one thing I learned about those guys who work 80 hours per week: They may be *at* work but they aren’t accomplishing insane amounts of work. They are at work because they don’t *want* to go home. They use work to hide from their spouse, kids, or whatever else in their personal lives they are trying to avoid. | 0 | 23,552 | -0.6 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwi39ps | hwhocee | 1,644,586,552 | 1,644,577,279 | 2 | -5 | Come to the dark side (modular). The couple of companies I've worked for have pretty healthy work life balance compared to regular arch firms I've worked in. Pays just as well, and it's fun figuring out how to turn stuff into boxes to make in a factory. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 9,273 | -0.4 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwj3784 | hwhocee | 1,644,600,832 | 1,644,577,279 | 2 | -5 | I was at a firm like the one you are describing, Got let go and it was the greatest thing for me. I’m at a company now that pays me well with no required OT. Find a firm that fits your values. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 23,553 | -0.4 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwjcfhb | hwhocee | 1,644,604,194 | 1,644,577,279 | 2 | -5 | you gotta switch firms man. i switched mine. went from working 16h a day to now 8-10h usually… sometimes pull a late night here and there. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 26,915 | -0.4 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwkoxdc | iwi7q13 | 1,644,622,572 | 1,668,545,063 | -2 | 1 | Its just your perspective - Try working in a job such as sewer pipe repair, and in the winter. I still remind myself of the 15yr old me working a summer job in the sod field, busting sod. It was miserable when our fancy tractor pulled machines died and we had to use the "jitterbug" to slice off the turf, and then by hand we rolled the strips and neatly stacked them in 90+ degree summer sauna of a Maryland summer. You may feel smug that you have an education and did not sign up for that. But in fact you did sign up for architecture, and it's not that bad. Find another job which you like. There are only a few which most would like to have and there is a waiting line for them. Try teaching K-12. If you think drawing in a comfy office is mind killing. Teachers, can't even step out of their class room to pee when the urge calls. And they have an education. Its all perspective. | I am in an architecture firm but work as an interior designer and I am right there with you except I’m at interior designer that is having to do CD Sets constantly. | 0 | 23,922,491 | -0.5 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | iwi7q13 | hwhocee | 1,668,545,063 | 1,644,577,279 | 1 | -5 | I am in an architecture firm but work as an interior designer and I am right there with you except I’m at interior designer that is having to do CD Sets constantly. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 23,967,784 | -0.2 | ||
spt8og | architecture_train | 0.98 | Overworked and disappointed with the architecture industry (rant) I'm a young architectural designer (working towards licensure) I have only worked for about 2 years and I've noticed how ridiculous the industry is. Most companies expect you to work 50+ hours a week on a low salary contract, no paid overtime, no health insurance; masters degree preferred 3+ years of experience, etc... I love architecture, but you now what I love the most? Being able to pay bills and have some free time to take care of basic stuff like cooking or having some time with my family. Talking with the younger folks from the company I work for; we all agree on how the higher ups and project managers try to convince us that "we are young, we have to work harder" (as if you should stop working hard after you get some experience). That, and the typical bs of "we architects work so hard without compensation, because we love architecture". They tell us their stories of how they used to work 80+ hours when they were young, and how that is ok and acceptable. I find this ridiculous, because it is basically the same as saying "it was shitty for me, it has to be shitty for everyone else". Higher ups argue that is the only way to learn and grow as an architect, but I strongly disagree, I'm sure there are different ways to get there. Now, I respect their effort, and if they are proud of the way they worked is fine, but why force everyone else to do things the same way as you? Don't get me wrong, I went through architecture school twice, I am well aware of pulling all nighters and pushing those extra hours of work towards that perfect model/plan/render/whatever. However, there has to be a fair compensation for our hard work, in school was a good project and a good grade. But in practice is just working a ton of hours for free. If the industry actually paid overtime then that would be a different story, after all, who likes to work for free? I have talked to some of my friends who work in other firms and is all the same. I'm not surprised anymore why people at SHOP architects tried get unionized last December, it makes sense to me. To finalize my rant, I think the whole industry is the one to blame. Normalizing crappy work conditions with no benefits and enslaving hours; everyone seems to be ok with that. I really think we should not normalize this work conditions; probably not only for architecture but for the entire industry. Again, I am not against doing some extra hours, but why companies don't want to pay for them? Does anyone think similarly? Or should we all accept the way it works, and just hope we can become partners of a big company one day? Does starting your own firm change things? Sorry for the long rant, hopefully, no one gets offended. | hwkoxdc | hwhocee | 1,644,622,572 | 1,644,577,279 | -2 | -5 | Its just your perspective - Try working in a job such as sewer pipe repair, and in the winter. I still remind myself of the 15yr old me working a summer job in the sod field, busting sod. It was miserable when our fancy tractor pulled machines died and we had to use the "jitterbug" to slice off the turf, and then by hand we rolled the strips and neatly stacked them in 90+ degree summer sauna of a Maryland summer. You may feel smug that you have an education and did not sign up for that. But in fact you did sign up for architecture, and it's not that bad. Find another job which you like. There are only a few which most would like to have and there is a waiting line for them. Try teaching K-12. If you think drawing in a comfy office is mind killing. Teachers, can't even step out of their class room to pee when the urge calls. And they have an education. Its all perspective. | Cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. But yeah some offices dont practice like that. There are who actually care about their employees. Maybe its time to move on | 1 | 45,293 | 0.4 | ||
aes2hr | architecture_train | 0.78 | Online Architecture Degrees? [Ask] Currently Active duty in the US Navy and taking college classes. I don't have a degree in mind right now but I am interested in and have always been interested in architecture. Does anyone know of any completely online architecture degrees? The university I'm currently enrolled at doesn't have an architecture online program. Thanks for your help! | edsdakg | edt4rj5 | 1,547,194,703 | 1,547,217,591 | 1 | 3 | Part of the major benefit to traditional studio/classroom settings in architecture is the hands-on experience. The modeling, exchange of ideas with other students, reviews with the professors, the proximity to the other students and professors, etc. There’s so much you would lose by pursuing an online degree in my opinion. I’m not sure if it’s something they offer at all. If they did it may not be an accredited program. If you wanted to try and complete some prerequisites before you begin a regular course of study that could be beneficial. Or, depending on how long you have, you could get an undergrad degree then apply for a masters of architecture program later. If you ever want to become a licensed architect just make sure whatever program you apply to is accredited. | Arch school really, really requires studio time with a professor and your peers. Online programs cannot provide this. Knock out prerequisites and general ed courses, you can go kick ass in Arch school after your term in the service. | 0 | 22,888 | 3 | ||
aes2hr | architecture_train | 0.78 | Online Architecture Degrees? [Ask] Currently Active duty in the US Navy and taking college classes. I don't have a degree in mind right now but I am interested in and have always been interested in architecture. Does anyone know of any completely online architecture degrees? The university I'm currently enrolled at doesn't have an architecture online program. Thanks for your help! | edt4rj5 | edsh53a | 1,547,217,591 | 1,547,199,019 | 3 | 1 | Arch school really, really requires studio time with a professor and your peers. Online programs cannot provide this. Knock out prerequisites and general ed courses, you can go kick ass in Arch school after your term in the service. | Architecture is not learned by memorizing books but by practicing. That's why there is no online degree. A major part of an architecture course are studios, those can't be done online. | 1 | 18,572 | 3 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw1xb8v | hw1uurm | 1,644,302,885 | 1,644,301,262 | 20 | 10 | If your heart's not in it, you won't enjoy it. If it is, it can be extremely rewarding. | It depends on the school to some extent, and they’re getting better in my opinion, but in general, yes they’re as bad as people say. I would try speaking to students at the schools if you can, maybe by reaching out on social media (lurk on the school’s Instagram pages or something). | 1 | 1,623 | 2 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw1xb8v | hw1vnrc | 1,644,302,885 | 1,644,301,774 | 20 | 2 | If your heart's not in it, you won't enjoy it. If it is, it can be extremely rewarding. | I had a couple architecture student housemates back in the day. Home at 2am from the studio, back to the studio at 7am, 6 days per week. Before that I thought it would have been cool to be an architect but I got cured by seeing that | 1 | 1,111 | 10 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw1uurm | hw2jzx4 | 1,644,301,262 | 1,644,320,549 | 10 | 11 | It depends on the school to some extent, and they’re getting better in my opinion, but in general, yes they’re as bad as people say. I would try speaking to students at the schools if you can, maybe by reaching out on social media (lurk on the school’s Instagram pages or something). | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | 0 | 19,287 | 1.1 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw28in4 | hw2jzx4 | 1,644,311,411 | 1,644,320,549 | 8 | 11 | Yes, it is true that I practically lived in the studio and slept very little, but I still look back on the time very fondly. It was a group of very interesting people, challenging themselves to push ideas to the limit. It was a very exciting energy to be around. If you vide on that, then the sleepless nights are not a drag. If you don't then I imagine it would be excruciating. 5 years went by quick for me and I do not regret packing that time with the creative output I did. It was a great growing experience and I would not trade it for anything. This is of course the mentality that perpetuates unhealthy work environments as you move into the professional sphere, so I have had to shed those tendencies with the years. I will still lose myself in my projects if I let it happen. Edit: I was also fortunate to have the means to focus 100% on school in those years. some students were working at the same time to pay tuition and I think it really affected how they were able to engage with the program. Many left. The one student I can think of that worked through arch school and graduated took an extra couple years to do so. So again, it is not a healthy mentality to hold onto once you have more than one responsibility in your life. But I can't say it wasn't fun for me. | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | 0 | 9,138 | 1.375 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw1vnrc | hw2jzx4 | 1,644,301,774 | 1,644,320,549 | 2 | 11 | I had a couple architecture student housemates back in the day. Home at 2am from the studio, back to the studio at 7am, 6 days per week. Before that I thought it would have been cool to be an architect but I got cured by seeing that | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | 0 | 18,775 | 5.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2jzx4 | hw297pf | 1,644,320,549 | 1,644,312,006 | 11 | 2 | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | It is generally more demanding than most other studies, nut how much so can differ widely form university to university or even depending on the particular professors. It would probably be most relyable info to get in touch with students at the schools that are of interest to you. Getting another architecture relevant education (doesn't have to be at universit, could also be a trade education) won't cut down much on the timeconsuming aspects of architecture studies as those are mostly design/studio assignments. In my opinion it will definitley make you a better architect in the long run though, since architecture school wil teach you only a tiny fraction of whats really required for the job. Of you really go through with architecture studies, i would advise you to get a student job at an architecture firm as soon as possible since this will teach you 100 times more of the relevant work skills than university, although it will make your education even more frustrating as this will make you see how much of architecture school is just useless busywork and high concept design with very little real world application/ feasability. | 1 | 8,543 | 5.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2jzx4 | hw29i2y | 1,644,320,549 | 1,644,312,247 | 11 | 2 | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | Depends on the ppl you meet. Go to a school where the odds of meeting interesting ppl is highest. | 1 | 8,302 | 5.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw293l1 | hw2jzx4 | 1,644,311,910 | 1,644,320,549 | 1 | 11 | I don't know you, but just in terms of return on investment, if your goal is to be an architect, you should probably look at the shortest possible path to being an architect. Getting an unrelated BA and then getting an MA will cost you a lot more money, and time, then getting a combined degree. This isn't to say it's not a good path, but ultimately, you will lose years and money by doing it that way. If you're not sure if you want to be an architect, then I would see if you can do work experience or an internship at a local architecture firm to understand the role more, and then research schools specifically for their mindset and approach. | I loved architecture school. While all my friends were studying for boring old traditional tests, I was creating beautiful models and drawings! As far as sleep goes, I only really pulled all nighters once or twice a semester at the very end of a deadline. But I kind of enjoyed it. The adrenaline made me feel high and giddy. And also it’s very rewarding to create something from nothing. A lot of people aren’t passionate enough to enjoy it the same way I did though. Lots of people drop out. You do really have to love architecture to enjoy school. I feel like I was born to do it, like it’s a calling. I couldn’t ever imagine doing anything else. | 0 | 8,639 | 11 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw1vnrc | hw28in4 | 1,644,301,774 | 1,644,311,411 | 2 | 8 | I had a couple architecture student housemates back in the day. Home at 2am from the studio, back to the studio at 7am, 6 days per week. Before that I thought it would have been cool to be an architect but I got cured by seeing that | Yes, it is true that I practically lived in the studio and slept very little, but I still look back on the time very fondly. It was a group of very interesting people, challenging themselves to push ideas to the limit. It was a very exciting energy to be around. If you vide on that, then the sleepless nights are not a drag. If you don't then I imagine it would be excruciating. 5 years went by quick for me and I do not regret packing that time with the creative output I did. It was a great growing experience and I would not trade it for anything. This is of course the mentality that perpetuates unhealthy work environments as you move into the professional sphere, so I have had to shed those tendencies with the years. I will still lose myself in my projects if I let it happen. Edit: I was also fortunate to have the means to focus 100% on school in those years. some students were working at the same time to pay tuition and I think it really affected how they were able to engage with the program. Many left. The one student I can think of that worked through arch school and graduated took an extra couple years to do so. So again, it is not a healthy mentality to hold onto once you have more than one responsibility in your life. But I can't say it wasn't fun for me. | 0 | 9,637 | 4 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2mqo5 | hw2w9dd | 1,644,322,373 | 1,644,327,609 | 5 | 7 | It will really depend on you as a person and how you work, in my opinion. I never wanted to be an architect but wanted to do animation instead. I was only given the option to either study architecture (mother's choice) or medicine (father's choice) and I chose the shorter course lol. I had a tough time in the begining when I was in uni but it was my own fault for procrastinating so much. I will always be glad i studied architecture, you learn so much and gain a lot of knowledge in a number of different fields. I have classmates who do fashion design to being a newspaper editor to furniture design, etc. I think the school you choose is also very important. I find that some schools have different approaches to architecture (mainly because of professors/lecturers), aside from just learning the basics. My school was heavily focused on phenomenology and the theoretical approach to architecture and the built space. My friends studied in schools where there was more attention paid to the functionality and planning of a building, urban development, etc. It's important to know beforehand because for someone like me, I much prefer the abstract and theories of architecture so I'm more inclined to work harder. If I was in a school where the professors focused more on the "buildability" I sure as shit would have not continued/survived. It's hard and toxic and competitive as hell. You'll question everything and hate a lot of it. You'll find solace in complaining about your course load to your classmates but it'll make you closer. I wish shitting on your students wasn't so pervasive in architecture schools, but it is and from what I hear it's getting better. I honestly think it's a course for people who can handle the pressure and if you can't do it then like I said it teaches you so much more then "architecture". Ps. I'm an architect/interior designer + have small businesses because I worked so much in school it became a way of life and I can't NOT work, or I feel empty. Take that as you will, but I know so many architects who always try to one up themselves in whatever they do, personally, I think it's a good thing but that's me. TLDR: research schools, think about why you want to study architecture and what's your working vibe. | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | 0 | 5,236 | 1.4 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2w9dd | hw1vnrc | 1,644,327,609 | 1,644,301,774 | 7 | 2 | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | I had a couple architecture student housemates back in the day. Home at 2am from the studio, back to the studio at 7am, 6 days per week. Before that I thought it would have been cool to be an architect but I got cured by seeing that | 1 | 25,835 | 3.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2w9dd | hw297pf | 1,644,327,609 | 1,644,312,006 | 7 | 2 | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | It is generally more demanding than most other studies, nut how much so can differ widely form university to university or even depending on the particular professors. It would probably be most relyable info to get in touch with students at the schools that are of interest to you. Getting another architecture relevant education (doesn't have to be at universit, could also be a trade education) won't cut down much on the timeconsuming aspects of architecture studies as those are mostly design/studio assignments. In my opinion it will definitley make you a better architect in the long run though, since architecture school wil teach you only a tiny fraction of whats really required for the job. Of you really go through with architecture studies, i would advise you to get a student job at an architecture firm as soon as possible since this will teach you 100 times more of the relevant work skills than university, although it will make your education even more frustrating as this will make you see how much of architecture school is just useless busywork and high concept design with very little real world application/ feasability. | 1 | 15,603 | 3.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2w9dd | hw29i2y | 1,644,327,609 | 1,644,312,247 | 7 | 2 | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | Depends on the ppl you meet. Go to a school where the odds of meeting interesting ppl is highest. | 1 | 15,362 | 3.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2muk3 | hw2w9dd | 1,644,322,443 | 1,644,327,609 | 2 | 7 | architecture school can definitely be as difficult as people say. i originally didn’t get into my program of choice (which at the time was a very arts-focused BFA and not a BS, and my artistic background was limited) so i spent my freshman year trying to choose a different major. my school had virtually every major you could want, and a path to create your own major. but nothing else interested me in the way that architecture did, even slightly. i would 100% rather spend 12 hour days in the studio with people who cared as much as i did than spend less time writing essays and going to lectures on topics i didn’t care about. and what others have said is true - all nighters were something that probably happened two or three times a semester, not constantly. i would also evaluate the path of getting another degree and an MArch afterwards. where i got my masters, people who went there for undergrad only completed one year of grad school; those with an architecture degree completed one and a half to two years; and those with even “related” degrees had to complete three years of classes. and those three years definitely seemed much more difficult than my early years of undergrad. i agree with what some others have said too - schools are putting a greater focus on “studio culture” and encouraging students to get enough sleep, but it’s usually the students themselves who choose to stay late because they want their work to be the best it can be. and there is definitely a lot of work. best of luck in your decision! | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | 0 | 5,166 | 3.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2w9dd | hw293l1 | 1,644,327,609 | 1,644,311,910 | 7 | 1 | It’s like Stockholm syndrome | I don't know you, but just in terms of return on investment, if your goal is to be an architect, you should probably look at the shortest possible path to being an architect. Getting an unrelated BA and then getting an MA will cost you a lot more money, and time, then getting a combined degree. This isn't to say it's not a good path, but ultimately, you will lose years and money by doing it that way. If you're not sure if you want to be an architect, then I would see if you can do work experience or an internship at a local architecture firm to understand the role more, and then research schools specifically for their mindset and approach. | 1 | 15,699 | 7 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2mqo5 | hw1vnrc | 1,644,322,373 | 1,644,301,774 | 5 | 2 | It will really depend on you as a person and how you work, in my opinion. I never wanted to be an architect but wanted to do animation instead. I was only given the option to either study architecture (mother's choice) or medicine (father's choice) and I chose the shorter course lol. I had a tough time in the begining when I was in uni but it was my own fault for procrastinating so much. I will always be glad i studied architecture, you learn so much and gain a lot of knowledge in a number of different fields. I have classmates who do fashion design to being a newspaper editor to furniture design, etc. I think the school you choose is also very important. I find that some schools have different approaches to architecture (mainly because of professors/lecturers), aside from just learning the basics. My school was heavily focused on phenomenology and the theoretical approach to architecture and the built space. My friends studied in schools where there was more attention paid to the functionality and planning of a building, urban development, etc. It's important to know beforehand because for someone like me, I much prefer the abstract and theories of architecture so I'm more inclined to work harder. If I was in a school where the professors focused more on the "buildability" I sure as shit would have not continued/survived. It's hard and toxic and competitive as hell. You'll question everything and hate a lot of it. You'll find solace in complaining about your course load to your classmates but it'll make you closer. I wish shitting on your students wasn't so pervasive in architecture schools, but it is and from what I hear it's getting better. I honestly think it's a course for people who can handle the pressure and if you can't do it then like I said it teaches you so much more then "architecture". Ps. I'm an architect/interior designer + have small businesses because I worked so much in school it became a way of life and I can't NOT work, or I feel empty. Take that as you will, but I know so many architects who always try to one up themselves in whatever they do, personally, I think it's a good thing but that's me. TLDR: research schools, think about why you want to study architecture and what's your working vibe. | I had a couple architecture student housemates back in the day. Home at 2am from the studio, back to the studio at 7am, 6 days per week. Before that I thought it would have been cool to be an architect but I got cured by seeing that | 1 | 20,599 | 2.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw2mqo5 | hw297pf | 1,644,322,373 | 1,644,312,006 | 5 | 2 | It will really depend on you as a person and how you work, in my opinion. I never wanted to be an architect but wanted to do animation instead. I was only given the option to either study architecture (mother's choice) or medicine (father's choice) and I chose the shorter course lol. I had a tough time in the begining when I was in uni but it was my own fault for procrastinating so much. I will always be glad i studied architecture, you learn so much and gain a lot of knowledge in a number of different fields. I have classmates who do fashion design to being a newspaper editor to furniture design, etc. I think the school you choose is also very important. I find that some schools have different approaches to architecture (mainly because of professors/lecturers), aside from just learning the basics. My school was heavily focused on phenomenology and the theoretical approach to architecture and the built space. My friends studied in schools where there was more attention paid to the functionality and planning of a building, urban development, etc. It's important to know beforehand because for someone like me, I much prefer the abstract and theories of architecture so I'm more inclined to work harder. If I was in a school where the professors focused more on the "buildability" I sure as shit would have not continued/survived. It's hard and toxic and competitive as hell. You'll question everything and hate a lot of it. You'll find solace in complaining about your course load to your classmates but it'll make you closer. I wish shitting on your students wasn't so pervasive in architecture schools, but it is and from what I hear it's getting better. I honestly think it's a course for people who can handle the pressure and if you can't do it then like I said it teaches you so much more then "architecture". Ps. I'm an architect/interior designer + have small businesses because I worked so much in school it became a way of life and I can't NOT work, or I feel empty. Take that as you will, but I know so many architects who always try to one up themselves in whatever they do, personally, I think it's a good thing but that's me. TLDR: research schools, think about why you want to study architecture and what's your working vibe. | It is generally more demanding than most other studies, nut how much so can differ widely form university to university or even depending on the particular professors. It would probably be most relyable info to get in touch with students at the schools that are of interest to you. Getting another architecture relevant education (doesn't have to be at universit, could also be a trade education) won't cut down much on the timeconsuming aspects of architecture studies as those are mostly design/studio assignments. In my opinion it will definitley make you a better architect in the long run though, since architecture school wil teach you only a tiny fraction of whats really required for the job. Of you really go through with architecture studies, i would advise you to get a student job at an architecture firm as soon as possible since this will teach you 100 times more of the relevant work skills than university, although it will make your education even more frustrating as this will make you see how much of architecture school is just useless busywork and high concept design with very little real world application/ feasability. | 1 | 10,367 | 2.5 | ||
snd31e | architecture_train | 1 | Is architecture school really as bad as people say? I'm applying for an undergraduate of architecture soon, but all the posts about how horrible it is (no sleep, toxic environment) are making me reconsider. Should instead do a relevant (but easier) degree first, and then get a master's? | hw29i2y | hw2mqo5 | 1,644,312,247 | 1,644,322,373 | 2 | 5 | Depends on the ppl you meet. Go to a school where the odds of meeting interesting ppl is highest. | It will really depend on you as a person and how you work, in my opinion. I never wanted to be an architect but wanted to do animation instead. I was only given the option to either study architecture (mother's choice) or medicine (father's choice) and I chose the shorter course lol. I had a tough time in the begining when I was in uni but it was my own fault for procrastinating so much. I will always be glad i studied architecture, you learn so much and gain a lot of knowledge in a number of different fields. I have classmates who do fashion design to being a newspaper editor to furniture design, etc. I think the school you choose is also very important. I find that some schools have different approaches to architecture (mainly because of professors/lecturers), aside from just learning the basics. My school was heavily focused on phenomenology and the theoretical approach to architecture and the built space. My friends studied in schools where there was more attention paid to the functionality and planning of a building, urban development, etc. It's important to know beforehand because for someone like me, I much prefer the abstract and theories of architecture so I'm more inclined to work harder. If I was in a school where the professors focused more on the "buildability" I sure as shit would have not continued/survived. It's hard and toxic and competitive as hell. You'll question everything and hate a lot of it. You'll find solace in complaining about your course load to your classmates but it'll make you closer. I wish shitting on your students wasn't so pervasive in architecture schools, but it is and from what I hear it's getting better. I honestly think it's a course for people who can handle the pressure and if you can't do it then like I said it teaches you so much more then "architecture". Ps. I'm an architect/interior designer + have small businesses because I worked so much in school it became a way of life and I can't NOT work, or I feel empty. Take that as you will, but I know so many architects who always try to one up themselves in whatever they do, personally, I think it's a good thing but that's me. TLDR: research schools, think about why you want to study architecture and what's your working vibe. | 0 | 10,126 | 2.5 |
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