Datasets:
I am very interested in this dataset
I am very interested in this dataset (maybe not even as a dataset, but as an offline archive of this site), if they don't open it for you (they won't return it), could you put it somewhere else and send it to me.
As an option (free space without restrictions), create a closed group in telegram and put it there in a separate subgroup (so you can save all your datasets for backup).
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
So how do I get you to remove my work from all 3 sites? This is downright evil
posting an unavailable dataset while it's currently legally unavailable is very classy of you, my guy
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
It’s easy. Individual authors own the copyright to their own works. This is illegal and you’re in violation of the DMCA for reproducing their work, in its entirety, without their consent. FWIW, I contacted your registrars elsewhere to inform them of the violation as well. Stop stealing.
stop reposting the datasets when you should not have posted them to begin with. you are stealing.
I am very interested in this dataset (maybe not even as a dataset, but as an offline archive of this site), if they don't open it for you (they won't return it), could you put it somewhere else and send it to me.
As an option (free space without restrictions), create a closed group in telegram and put it there in a separate subgroup (so you can save all your datasets for backup).
Hey! If you want to archive fic or artwork from AO3, do it yourself instead of supporting a disgusting thief.
I'm not sure it's legal at this point. I sent the counter-notice exactly a week ago, and so far there have been no updates. Unless the OTW takes legal action, the dataset will be available again within 3-7 days.
Yeah, it's not legal to STEAL OUR WORK. You don't own the copyright, and you didn't ask permission.
Agree to disagree. When an author chooses to delete their work, it's a conscious decision taht they make to control how their creation/work is shared and distributed. Taking a local copy is one thing but spreading it (online too no less, where everyone can see it) without their consent not only violates their rights as the creator, but it's also a clear disregard for their agency and decision-making. It doesn't matter whether or not you agree with the deletion. For me, it's always been important to respect an author's autonomy over their own work. Imagine how you'd feel if someone took your personal work and shared it without your permission just because they felt entitled to it. That's what hurts---your sense of ENTITLEMENT over someone else's hard work.
But for the sake of this conversation, forget ethics. If you know that what you're doing is hurting someone, do you still need to do it? And I don't mean like something of like grandeur proportions. I'm not asking you to set aside your sense of right or wrong. I'm not asking you to put aside your values and I'm not asking you to sacrifice your career or something for me. I'm asking you to not please not feed my words, my original work, into your dataset without permission because I simply didn't and do not consent to it.
At the end of the day, this isn't about some grand moral debate or complex ethical principles. We're asking you to give basic respect for another person’s wishes. You can choose to ignore whether it's right or wrong, but if you know it’s hurting someone, why continue? My work—my words—carry meaning to me, and when you scrape it and put it in a dataset without my consent, you're not just taking something, you're disregarding the fact that it’s mine to control. I don't want a backup of my work to be done by you. Who even are you to do that? And I don't mean that in an aggressive manner. I mean that genuinely.
Imagine you invited your friend or your partner over to your house. You trusted them and gave them a home in your space, and you also shared something personal with them. Maybe a memory, maybe something you created, or perhaps something that’s meaningful to you. Now imagine they decide to take that personal item or memory without asking, share it with others, or use it in ways you didn’t ask for. Even if they say, 'I'm just trying to help you', it still feels like a betrayal. Now it's okay if you don't think that and you want your dirty laundry out on display, but it's not wrong for the rest of us to want to be left ALONE. I never gave you permission to do what you did. I don't understand why that's a hard concept. People are asking you to remove THEIR work from your computer; why can't that be respected? Why is so hard for people like you to be okay with that? Why is it so hard for people like you to respect others' work? I don't want to crush yours, I don't want to disrespect you, I don't want to assume consent by default with you, why do you want to do that to me?
from your computer
From MY computer. That's why I asked for clarification earlier: your argument rests on an assertion of a right I do not countenance. About fifteen years ago, Amazon deleted books from people's Kindles (famously including Orwell's 1984). They almost certainly had the legal right to do that, but I found that abhorrent at the time, and continue to do so.
I hold this position consistently, regardless of the reason a work becomes unavailable, be it the author's whims, violations of the platform's terms, DMCA takedowns, obscenity laws, US government sanctions, or anything else.
If an author deleted their work, me having a local copy and spreading it online is simply unethical,
Okay, this sounds like a fundamental difference: I do not think it's unethical in the slightest.
it's not just unethical. It's simply illegal. Just google how copyright works. It's not that hard, especially now that AI is everywhere. There are lots of pages excplain it in every simple terms for you guys.
Except that's not all that you're doing. You're using our data to train AI models, make money, and god knows what else. Local copy is one thing, that's what I'm saying. I could've been clearer, but I do NOT consent to scraping of my data to be used for sadistic reasons. I simply do NOT.
regardless of the reason a work becomes unavailable, be it the author's whims, violations of the platform's terms, DMCA takedowns, obscenity laws, US government sanctions, or anything else.
Absolutely disgusting.
@nyuuzyou , PLEASE take down the dataset. Have a heart please, it's not your work---certainly not the original works you've scraped. They're simply NOT.
It's simply illegal.
I was addressing what was framed as a moral argument, and made no claims about law.
When an author chooses to delete their work, it's a conscious decision taht they make to control how their creation/work is shared and distributed.
I think i was 14? 13? When i was taught that whatever you post on the internet is permanent. I don't think authors have learned that yet i guess...
When an author chooses to delete their work, it's a conscious decision taht they make to control how their creation/work is shared and distributed.
I think i was 14? 13? When i was taught that whatever you post on the internet is permanent. I don't think authors have learned that yet i guess...
"It was on the internet and I can take it and do what I want with it, so I did" is giving "this person was drunk/unconcious so I could do what I wanted. If they didn't want me to, shouldn't have drunk anything/been unconscious".
Also a few countries have Right To Be Forgotten laws as well as Google themselves. Not everything is permanent.
@Delta-Vector I know it's "permanent". That doesn't mean shitheads and a bunch of bastards now have the right to use and steal IP for their own profits and sadistic uses. Let us be. We're not debating laws with you, we're not asking to jump through loopholes to understand that. Since you're so quick to demean authors and who not, why do you wish to exploit us? We're asking you to PLEASE let our works ALONE. We've asked you nicely, we've begged you to please stop, we don't wish you any harm, and all we ask in return is let us be with our community. If you hate us so much that you can't even offer a shred of respect to the same people you're stealing from, I think you have bigger problems to worry about than what you were taught at 13-14. My folks taught me from 4-5 to be a decent person, if we want to exchange those diatribes.