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danielha
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Poking around their site, I see that one of their technical advisers is none other than Robert Morris himself. Very cool.
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jamongkad
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True that, it's good to know there's a community of like minded people here that share the joys and frustrations of seeing the other end of the pond.
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http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t17927
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VOIP Java
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robertgaal
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http://blog.wakoopa.com/archives/how-we-got-hosted-the-rails-way
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Google Testing TV Ads in California
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python_kiss
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http://ajaxian.com/archives/javascriptcss-font-detector
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Javascript/CSS Font Detector - Really useful for checking font support
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python_kiss
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http://scotthadfield.ca/?p=181
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Why OpenID will fail. AKA OpenID disinformation time.
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clintonforbes
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http://ajax.stealthsettings.com/tutorial/the-philosophy-of-ruby.html
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The Philosophy of Ruby
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sharpshoot
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http://mashable.com/2007/03/11/gotzapp/
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Gottzap - mobile social network launches
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staunch
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6164827.html
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Get Rich Quick: Build The Best "Photoshop Web Edition(TM)" App -- Sell to Adobe, Google, or Microsoft.
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danw
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http://www.barenakedapp.com/dropsend/number-of-users-on-each-plan
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drop19
1,173,706,728
I've actually never read anyone discussing the elasticity of demand for web services. Here's a thank-you to my econ teacher in college!<p>Sobering quote: "The biggest gap in any venture is that between a service that is free and one that costs a penny."
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jamongkad
1,173,707,930
So hang on, how about the old adage "Repetition is the mother of all skill?" How do we apply that in our situation? As a programmer I found that this is one way of increasing your actual skill.
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drop19
1,173,707,238
I have to say this matches my experience with any shared host for a serious web app. TextDrive is super helpful with customer service but not being able to get root on your server cuts off a lot of solutions. <p>So my advice to anyone hosting a Rails app or any other web app would be to go with a dedicated host (where you at least have a virtual server or something)
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danw
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http://www.changethis.com/8.BootstrappersBible
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The Bootstrapper's Bible
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mattculbreth
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http://www.burningdoor.com/askthewizard/2007/03/vc_term_sheets_dividend.html
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veritas
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http://gettingreal.37signals.com/index.php
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naish
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As an alternative, I would suggest Slicehost:<p> http://slicehost.com <p>I stumbled upon them last week after looking for an inexpensive dedicated server or VPS with root access. They offer slices of 4-processor RAID-1 Linux boxes (with your choice of distribution) for reasonable rates. You can add slices as you grow, up to the point of requiring a dedicated box. This is not a managed service--you have full control over your set up.<p>They are developer centric, appear to have a great community going and have received entirely favorable reviews online (at least as far as I could find). They are very Rails friendly (their interface is developed in Rails), but also support Python, Java, PHP, LISP, etc. With root access, you can install whatever development/server environment you desire.<p>I'm just getting set up, but so far, I have been very happy with their service.
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sszhou
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Commitment Reminders and FWYDWYD syndrome
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danw
1,173,710,251
I think this was posted before in the first few days of YC news. A recommended read.<p>See: http://news.ycombinator.com/comments?id=574
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veritas
1,173,712,178
Oops... thanks. Wish the system checked for duplicate URLs on submission.
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bluishgreen
1,173,714,730
I don't think this will be possible. But the best people to ask about this would be the folks at the International Student Center at your university.( As it turns out they are the ones who do the processing for the OPT in my university, so they know everything! )
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sszhou
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http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/03/12/march-madness-office-pool-web-20-style/
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March Mandess Pool with Web 2.0 slickness
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bluishgreen
1,173,714,352
H1-B is a work visa, Usually if you get a job in the states, the company sponcers you, as in pays fees to the govt, and agrees that they will pay you well so that you do not become a liability for the govt.Usually it is given for 2 years, after which you have to renew it which is a mess of a hell. Don't get me started on that.
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notabel
1,173,718,610
A programmer for google or yahoo, sure. A programmer for Microsoft or Adobe, not so much. Moreover, outside the big names, software companies are largely unknown; to most of us, hearing that someone works for, e.g, Fog Creek, is pretty nifty, but to the average person, it's meaningless.
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Readmore
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There are a few points in this article I don't agree with. But it makes an interesting case as to why controlling your own fate, as a small business owner, is a much better choice than 'getting a real job' in the IT industry.
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python_kiss
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http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/03/10/web-20-tutorials-round-up/
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cnaclerio
1,173,719,161
I think how you fix the problem is finding other means to make money rather than having users pay. I must admit, if I see a dollar sign on a website, I'm less likely to even try it out. And if I never try it, then I never get hooked, and everyone loses. <p>I think we're on the verge of a new form of web advertising. One that works, actually makes money, and isn't annoying (like flashing banners). Google's way is a good start, but we need something revolutionary, and once it happens I think the question of whether or not users pay becomes futile.
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apenwarr
1,173,719,544
And yet not all ideas are good ones: http://www.advogato.org/person/apenwarr/diary.html?start=258
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jwecker
1,173,722,385
Another way to really keep the fire and remember what you're doing is to maintain momentum. Like the 37signals guys say- have accomplishments every week that you can celebrate. That trumps having to dig up old memories about how excited you once were any day, IMO.
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acgourley
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There is only one way to do it.
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jwecker
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There are a few links like this that get submitted about every 4 or 5 days. At first I was annoyed, but now I kind of think it's a good thing- with the usership growing on this site it's probably important to hit some of these great pieces. If only the comments could be consolidated or something though...
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It may just be me but I didn't really get much from this article. The author states that it's hard to get users to pay for something, and then doesn't offer any advice as to how to fix the problem.
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jimbursch
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sszhou
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I don't necessarily agree with the "low prestige" argument. I think that as the internet becomes a greater part of young people's lives (i.e. myspace), the industry becomes more hip and being a programmer for lets say Yahoo! or Google carries a "cooler" image
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python_kiss
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http://ajaxian.com/archives/frevvo-live-forms-builder
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amichail
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For me, programming is just a means to an end. <p>I do it not because I find programming intrinsically rewarding necessarily but rather because I find the creation of applications to demonstrate my ideas to be highly rewarding.<p>So obviously, writing code for someone else would not be rewarding for me.
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jwecker
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looks like between the three of them they've already got it under control :)
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mattculbreth
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http://www.burningdoor.com/askthewizard/2007/03/hiring_no_false_positives.html
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notabel
1,173,718,435
This is an interesting variation on the model that Fon is using. If I'm reading it correctly, Meraki is assuming that only fraction of the routers will be hardwired to the internet, with the remainder acting only to extend the mesh. In that sense, it's similar to a local, community based project (alacloud.net) that I'm working with now.<p>Unlike with Fon, however, there is no clear way to offer users any compensation[1], or really to monetize the network (other than something like ads). I'm intrigued to see how this "experiment" turns out.<p>[1] It's left as an exercise to the reader to decide whether Fon's model is a horrible idea or not.
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mattculbreth
1,173,722,549
I'd strongly encourage people on this list (who I'm going to assume are technical) to get their own VPS, not a shared account somewhere.<p>I've been very happy with Future Hosting at http://www.futurehosting.biz/. I've got a VPS with Ubuntu on it and we completely control the box. We're paying $25/month for that server.
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jimbursch
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farmer
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jimbursch
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jwecker
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nice post. In my experience also the lowest paying accounts are the most difficult to maintain- out of proportion certainly to the revenue they bring in. However, one thing it didn't mention here is to remember not to discount market share. In lots of apps the higher subscription plans will only be upsales- no one will jump straight into the business account, for example. And in some cases your low paying accounts are doing a lot of evangelizing for your product, or not using a competitors product, etc. Keep it balanced, for sure, but get lots of users.
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jwecker
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"There is a prestigious school, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, devoted to science and engineering, and while I'm sure that there are some students there who are majoring in 'computer science,' the science that's taught isn't related to the dirty low-prestige job of creating e-commerce websites using ASP.NET"<p>That note is interesting to me. A major reason I'm on this site right now, in addition to the discussions and the talk about startups, is the fact that Paul Graham was one of the first authors that I read that laid a very solid case for smart programming leading to good business- which of course validated what I and probably most of you already knew or felt. The author of this article is actually saying that an MIT type education is worthless in the real world where you need ASP.NET programming to get the 'real work' done. The author kind of lost all of his credibility for me at that point.
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http://www.halfsigma.com/2007/03/why_a_career_in.html
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Yet Another Reason to Start Your Own Business: Programming jobs suck
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mattculbreth
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I personally love programming. I'd gotten to a point a few years ago in my career where I moved out of programming roles only to discover that I missed it. Helping my younger brother through a CS programming really got me going again, and I credit that experience with getting me going on a startup.<p>That said, sure there's very little cool about being programmer #45 for an insurance company. The truly gifted developers need to be at a software firm, a consulting company (more new dev, less maintenance), working on an open source project, or (best yet) creating their own software.
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jwecker
1,173,723,382
a little bit ironic that you're advertising your site to us...
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danielha
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The mind sharing concept is interesting. I see an inherent flaw in the "traditional model" that you posted:<p>---<p>Advertiser posts ad<p>Consumer views ad <p>Advertiser pays media <p>---<p>You missed a crucial detail: the advertiser posts the ad to the media to publish. It's a critical detail that bridges the next step.<p>When a potential customer sits and views your ad for a set wage, it's much different than encountering the ad in a targeted environment. I noticed the targeted aspect of your service, but it's difficult to gauge its effectiveness just yet. As an advertising medium, I'm skeptical. The concept definitely has merit in getting something of yours read or viewed.
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Readmore
1,173,724,904
I agree that his views on schools doesn't really translate to coding. The author talks about the prestige of programming being low, which in IT it is, but there are obviously coders that have prestige. John Carmack, for one, is very highly regarded in the computer science field, but he never went to a prestigious CS school. What I find interesting is that programmers only get prestige from actually DOING something. This can happen at a big company but more often than not it happens at a startup. Lawyers and Doctors 'get' their prestige from going to school and getting their title, whether it is deserved or not, but programmers have to earn it through solving problems. I find that much more rewarding, it will mean much more for me to be prestigous because of my work than because of where I went to school.
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jwecker
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It's kind of funny- I think about web apps constantly. After reading this, though, I decided to make a list of the web applications that I have actually paid for. I could only think of one- it was one of the ediet ones that lets you pick your diet (out of many popular ones) then emails you meal plans and shopping lists each week. I'm not even on a diet.<p>The fact that it saved me time and thought thinking through healthy meals was what got me to pay. And it made me realize also how few web apps actually end up saving me time in the end (which is the make-it or break-it factor for me, but I realize probably not for others).<p>So here's my question- what web apps have you other news.YC'ers ever actually paid money for? Any?
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jcwentz
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amichail
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5389759860995489467
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danielha
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It does. The URLs submitted slightly differ.
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danielha
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http://www.profy.com/2007/03/12/wales-interview/
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farmer
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notabel
1,173,728,349
O'Reilly clearly gets to a point that I tried to make in reference to one of the first round of articles about freebase: namely, that by adopting the ideas of web2.0, namely relying on users to generate information because it is natural and convenient for them, we have a chance to take another shot at the semantic web, and perhaps actually make it past arguing in the W3C this time.
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pg
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Founder from The Apprentice. Name = Zoodango. I'm not sure if the Bubble is really back, but I'm increasingly noticing something that was a component of it: startups that sound like they were cooked up by The Onion.
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PindaxDotCom
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I also disagree with several of the minor premises in this article. Such as his statement that "So what advantage does a 60-year-old .NET programmer have over a 27-year-old .NET programmer when they both have, at most, 5 years of experience doing .NET programming? Absolutely none." ... That 60-year-old programmer has more experience and wisdom and that is a huge advantage over a newb!<p>Overall the author is making a good point. Technology workers have (or are beginning) to wake up to the fact that their skills are commoditizable. Anyone (anywhere) can be trained up to do their job. This is why most tech people get caught in the trap of the never ending skill upgrade cycle ... "If I could just learn and get a certificate in X I can earn the big bucks...". When what they really need to start thinking is how to apply the knowledge that they have into real solutions that they can then monetize.
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Readmore
1,173,728,216
It is true that making your users pay to try your product is the best way to keep your userbase small. I think that offering a free version and then a pay version with extra features is the only real way to expect users to pay. The problem is what happens when someone else comes along and offers all of your features for free? Google was really smart with Gmail because they started out offering people 2 gig of space, which seemed insane. What was even better is that they then made it constantly 'increase' so it seems like you have as much space as you'll ever need. But if you actually watch that ticker it's increasing so slowly that it probably isn't costing them any more money, and in fact their cost probably goes down, to give each user that much space.I guess my point is that once you have a user offering them a better 'precieved' value, even if it's not better than someone else, will get them to stick with you, or get them to consider a pay account.
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danielha
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I root for him when I see The Apprentice on (if he hasn't been booted yet, I'm not sure). That way I can potentially hear web social networking being hawked on network television.
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pixcavator
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That seems like a good idea. But what I think is missing in Photoshop is image analysis features. These features will allow you to take image editing to an entirely different level. This is a self-promotion, of course – you can read about some of these features at Pixcavator.com. I have been working on a technology for computer vision/image mining/image search, but recently I realized that being able to analyze the image gives you totally new tools for image manipulation. If somebody is interested in pursuing this, write me a couple of lines.
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mattculbreth
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"I remember my father-in-law telling me about the virtues of a balanced investment portfolio. I told him that my portfolio is balanced. I have risky investments balanced by outrageously risky investments.".<p>I guess that's cool if you're in our shoes, but boy it seems a bit risky when you're running other people's (the limited partners) money.
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paul
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It's important to understand that there are a lot of non-monetary costs associated with paying for things, such as entering payment info and deciding whether it's actually worth paying for in the first place.
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http://dondodge.typepad.com/the_next_big_thing/2007/03/venture_capital.html
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Good post with some financial data on VC & Angel investments (tough business)
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sszhou
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Very true, but maybe our overall image is gradually improving, esp. as the tech/internet generation matures.
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python_kiss
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They lose money because they forget the most basic principle of any business: moneymaking.<p>It seems so obvious; but everybody on Web 2.0 seems to think that exit strategies mean they don't need a business plan. The bottom line is that a business is not a business if it does not make money. By that metric, almost all internet startups, even the ones funded by VCs, are just "hobbies".<p>Exit strategies are great. But that does not give us the excuse to ignore the basic economics of this business.
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jamiequint
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I like this one...<p>"The benefits of being around other startups and founders simply cannot be described properly in words. If you are stuck somewhere trying to do things by yourself without any other startups you only have one choice. Move."
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notabel
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I agree with jwecker here; when I hit that part of the article, I couldn't help but think of Joel Spolsky's "The Perils of JavaSchools" essay.<p>EDIT: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html for anyone who's not familiar. It's a good read.
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herdrick
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See the second page for the MySpace reference.
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danielha
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http://mashable.com/2007/03/12/zoodango/
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Zoodango Lets Businesses Create Their Own Social Networks
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZR1Rrz_-nic
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Video: Trevor Blackwell's Robot At Y Combinator
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http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197003052
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MySpace skipped the lawyer and just copied other sites' legalese. (see page 2)
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cnaclerio
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"America's next top model" has only asked for women participants. The criteria for judging male models and female models is different, and the places for them to model (ads, runway shows) is different, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison to have them competing on the same show. Given the opportunity, I think you would find plenty of men wanting to apply for a similar show.<p>As for the "mathematically better tuned" comment, I've always disliked the arguments that one sex is better suited for anything, especially when talking about the brain. I think socialization has a lot more to do with brain development then sex, and since we've got hundreds of years of gender roles to overcome before we find out for sure, I think we're better off judging individuals, rather then genders.<p>As for why there aren't more women in startups, or women geeks for that matter, I return to socialization. Bill Gates made it cool to be a nerd for guys, we still don't have a female in that category. A largely successful role model that makes it ok for women to not be entirerly obsessed with their appearence. Maybe when I get my own start up...
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bootload
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yes by 'index.php'. So the point on checking 'slightly similiar' urls is valid. A simple regex on 'index.foo' (path) after the http://news.ycombinator.com (authority) could pick this up.
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http://redeye.firstround.com/2006/04/shrink_a_market.html
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To win big, shrink a market.
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bootload
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you might try the Churchill club http://www.churchillclub.org.au ~ there is one in melbourne and sydney
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run4yourlives
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I think how you fix the problem is finding other means to make money rather than having users pay. <p>The one issue with this is that it smacks of dot-bomb "Build it and they will come" thinking. <p>Although a few leaders will emerge, I don't think it's a viable theory for most start-ups. You're better off lowering your expectations and sharing a piece of a smaller pie. <p>Of course, VC's don't like that thinking too much.
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imp
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Also, a friend of mine used one of the major dating sites like eHarmony, and I think it cost her about $20 for 3 months. As in your example, it seems like the money is worthwhile because it saves time.
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acgourley
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I think everyone, from the developers to the consumers, would be happier of people like the author of this article stayed out of software.
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imp
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That's a good point. I just now realized that I haven't paid for any web apps myself (unless you count Skype). Although recently I was looking at PayScale (http://www.payscale.com/), and thought that if I was looking for a job I would probably buy a premium report from them. In this case the $20 report could help negotiate a few extra thousand dollars in salary.
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cnaclerio
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Kind of like, Startup.com http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0256408/
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acgourley
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I somehow doubt VC's forget money making.
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http://www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?a=21577&hed=Online+Ad+Revenue+Surges+34%25&sector=Industries&subsector=InternetAndServices
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Online Ad Revenue Up 34% Over Last Year
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imp
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I had no idea the returns for investors was so low. There has to be more to the story other than a bunch of people chasing the next Google or Microsoft. If I remember correctly, pg said they started yc because it was fun and sort of like a real-life hack. Maybe other investors feel the same way. Or maybe they enjoy getting involved with the latest and greatest technology companies. If I had tons of cash, this type of investing would be a lot more fun than watching my money slowly grow in an indexed mutual fund.
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immad
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agreed, clearly the discontinuity in the demand is based on the non-price costs, which is why people like the idea of easy micropayments so much. But the psychological difference between free and not-free is pretty significant.
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run4yourlives
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Why is that, exactly? Assuming configuring servers is not the core competency, what would be better about a VPS over a shared services? <p>What you trade off in control you make up for in free time. Granted, as you get larger and develop traffic, the trade off will need to be re-evaluated, but I don't see any major benefits at the beginning.
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JMiao
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My goodness, I can't stand The Apprentice -- it progressively gets trashier each season, so I simply stopped after the first.<p>Paul, if you think Zoodango sounds cheesy, go see Trump's Learning Annex commercial where, in less than a day, Donald will make you rich with his Midas technology. I've also heard he shares the secret to his comb over. Anything for an extra buck. :-)
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python_kiss
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There are more startups forming now than they were back in 1999. The difference, though, is that not as many startups are receiving funding. So while the bubble might be back, it isn't clear how it will burst.
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danielha
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This is just good for a sensory overload of 2.0-trendy logos.<p>Any new web service worth a damn should have "Web 2.0" qualities -- intuitive, user-centric, worthwhile data or tools. Maybe this directory will list every website from this point forward...
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python_kiss
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"However, eMarketer last month forecast that online ad growth will slow this year to 19 percent, reaching $19.5 billion."<p>I reckon the ad spending is going to exponentially rise once some tiny startup figures out how to effectively advertise to the cellular market. Exciting times!
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smackaysmith
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Here's the meat: <p>"I learned a very important lesson here, one that my friend Jason Calacanis said at the OPML Road Show in NYC in 2005. If a deal is worth doing, it's worth documenting with a good agreement."
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smackaysmith
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An untold story UserLand
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msgbeepa
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High Quality Video Advertising
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mattculbreth
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Paul--any chance we can see Dexter at Startup School?
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http://www.bigheadlabs.com/2007/03/11/a-django-primer/
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A Django Primer - Creating a Simple Blog Application (The Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines)
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staunch
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http://www.thinkvitamin.com/
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Vitamin is a resource for web designers, developers and entrepreneurs
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