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[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them)." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should.", ">\n\nThrift stores open to the public on schedule. If the hustlers and go getters are out there getting the best selection, then hours later after the late sleepers get there.... That's not the hustlers fault." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should.", ">\n\nThrift stores open to the public on schedule. If the hustlers and go getters are out there getting the best selection, then hours later after the late sleepers get there.... That's not the hustlers fault.", ">\n\nI mean, an impoverished person could also flip it at the flea market." ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should.", ">\n\nThrift stores open to the public on schedule. If the hustlers and go getters are out there getting the best selection, then hours later after the late sleepers get there.... That's not the hustlers fault.", ">\n\nI mean, an impoverished person could also flip it at the flea market.", ">\n\nBuying something cheap and reselling it is horrible?" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should.", ">\n\nThrift stores open to the public on schedule. If the hustlers and go getters are out there getting the best selection, then hours later after the late sleepers get there.... That's not the hustlers fault.", ">\n\nI mean, an impoverished person could also flip it at the flea market.", ">\n\nBuying something cheap and reselling it is horrible?", ">\n\nI don't do it for a living but - I sell CDs at record shows and flip things why not 😍" ]

[ "You want to talk about exploitative? Did you know that a lot of thrift stores that take 'donations' aren't even non-profits? Your rage is misplaced.", ">\n\nI think that is Goodwill, looking at several sources the Salvation Army has operating costs of about 15-20 percent, which is pretty decent for most charities.", ">\n\nOnly a small portion of stuff at the thrift store gets purchased and most goes to the landfill. There is plenty at the thrift store for everyone", ">\n\nThere are plenty of ugly things and a few good stuff. resellers strip the stores from anything that could sell and would be worn and loved ,likely by people who are not that fortunate. Then the resellers mark up the prices and the clothing is no longer reachable to poor people.", ">\n\nThey have the same opportunity as you to buy these things.", ">\n\nHonestly they don’t. Someone who is on depop or owns a consignment stall has all the time in the world to stake out thrift shops. They usually come from money already and start it as a hustle. They’ll get there while everyone else is at their 9-5 and snatch anything good to resell for a huge markup. It cancels out the benefit these stores offer to lower income households.", ">\n\nIt doesn’t cancel the benefits. It just means theres competition for the higher quality stuff. There’s still literally tons of functional clothing.", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't food Banks. You are buying used goods. Not receiving charity", ">\n\nAll food banks aren't the same either. We have two near us in different churches. One is income based, they want to see some paperwork to show you qualify and the food is either free or extremely cheap.\nThe other doesn't care about your income, they are just trying to make money to fund church programs. Everything is donated as a tax write off, and usually close to its expiration date. We get a ton of restaurant grade meats for cheap there.", ">\n\ncome on now, you know comparing thrifting to a food bank is disingenuous. What's the income cutoff where I have to stop reselling stuff?", ">\n\nSo OP. If I get a car for cheap, fix it and sell it for a profit is that the same thing?\nWhat about house flipping?\nWhat about repairing and reselling broken electronics?\nWhat part does the actual consumer play in this? Are they more to blame? Surely if there was no market there'd be nobody marketing to it.", ">\n\nAll the examples you provided are fundamentally different in that you are buying something and adding value to it. In the example OP describes, the reseller is forcing themself into a transaction as a middle man and adding no value. \nCloser examples would be a bank buying up all the housing in a neighborhood to drive up the price and reselling them. Or someone who creates a bot to clear out the inventory of the newest game console.", ">\n\nIf they paid for it then it's fine. The thrift store still gets its money. Antique and art dealers do this too.", ">\n\nThese people cost thrift stores tons of money. Part of the motivation for going to a thrift store is the thrill of stumbling upon great deals. If Johnny Scalper knows the delivery schedule and is ready to speedrun the store when a new truck comes so he can snatch up any valuable item, that makes the thrift store experience worse for everyone who comes in after him, and makes those people less likely to return. \nA thrift store usually exists to help the community. People donate to the thrift store because they want to help those who are in need. If some jerk comes by and buys all the best and most valuable stuff to resell, they are basically pulling a reverse Robinhood. The people donating would not donate if they knew their item was going to a reseller, and the thrift store wouldn't sell it if they knew. Unfortunately, there's no easy way to figure out who is abusing the system and ban them, so people are able to take advantage.\nIt's basically the same as scalping. Sure, technically, by the letter of the law, it's not theft. But the person who is scalping or thrift flipping is forcing their way into a transaction in which they extract a profit, add zero value, and in which both the buyer and seller would prefer to not have the middleman.", ">\n\nHow are thrift stores losing money? The longer the shit sits on the shelf the further they knock down the price. One of the problems thrift stores face is sufficient space for everything. People moving this stuff are doing them a favor.", ">\n\nThey lose money when people don't come in. \nTake Goodwill for instance. 8-10 years ago I would go in, find a few good deals on clothing or other items relevant to my interests, maybe notice a table or whatever. Then Goodwill started reserving the best items for sale online and resellers would raid the rest the minute it hit the shelves, so when I stopped by after work there would be nothing worth buying. After a few times of this I stopped going to Goodwill for almost a decade.", ">\n\nYou're not coming in because stuff is sold before you get there, and you're saying it's HURTING sales? \nCan you hear yourself?", ">\n\nthey aren't worried about the thrift store, they are complaining they didn't reach that Gucci belt first.", ">\n\nas a thrift store lover AND a surplus value hater AND an hater of exploitation i CAN'T agree with you... first of all if you buy a turd for 1$ and you resell it to shit lover for 10$ it isn't my business to criticize it, second, a lot of things in thrift stores end up in the trash eventually and\\or they try to sell those to the wrong people, a thrift store is too generic to find what you look for, so there's no \"bridge\" between the seller and a purchaser looking for an item, detail sell instead fixes this\nanyways i fear that thrift stores may become depleted because of this, resulting in a general higher price of the stuff", ">\n\nThrift stores often do not have enough room to sell everything people bring in. Even stores that sell for lower prices and are large (Value Village, where I live) still have stuff leftover they don't have room for. Smaller stores (Buffalo Exchange) definitely don't take everything you bring them. They only take what they think they can sell and what they have room for. We used to sell our old clothes for store credit or try to sell for cash, and would only walk away with maybe $10 or $20.\nI agree with your title statement though. You have to go through a BUNCH of clothes to find stuff worth selling for a higher price.", ">\n\nI think outside of a few construction sites Goodwill is the only place in my town that gets daily pickups for their dumpsters and this is exactly why. \nBetween the stuff that has been sitting on the shelves for months that nobody wants regardless of how much they mark it down, donations of items they already have dozens of on the floor, and just crap (people donate a lot of broken stuff...) they just can't keep up.", ">\n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people. they re-sell items, typically for a profit. their business model is they buy things for one price, and they sell them for a higher price, and then they keep the difference in money.\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. you're not stealing from the poor if you buy a shirt at a goodwill and then re-sell that shirt on ebay for more than you paid for it.", ">\n\nThis is misinformation. \nNo offense but you should edit or take this post down. I'm not arguing just stating basic facts volunteers in every community could verify. \n\nthrift stores aren't charity operations to cloth poor people\n\nThose clothes are donated. They are donated to a charity & you can ask for a receipt to get a tax exemption. \nThey registered charities & \"clothing poor people\" is used to justify your tax exempt status to the IRS. \n\"Vintage\" and \"Second Hand\" resellers are usually distinct & for profit. People often confuse them. \n\ntheir business model is\n\nRETAIL not WHOLESALE. They are dependent on appealing to as many consumers as possible. Good deals drive sales - The Salvation Army is just like the GAP or Amazon. \n\nit's not a church. it's not a food bank. \n\nThe Salvation Army is a religious operation. A church. \nThe United Way funds both my local food pantry & a thrift store.", ">\n\nAs a person who has worked for a charity thrift store as a volunteer for 25 years, we definitely do not buy things at all. All items left with us are donated 100%. We clean and test them and sell for very reasonable prices. A real service to our community and a major source of income for our charity. Only one person in our store staff of 16 gets any pay and that is our full time manager. We are an animal rescue and out shelter is 100% donation supported. A completely tax deductible supported organization.", ">\n\nThank you for your good work. I love thrifting.", ">\n\nThe money goes to charity regardless so why is it an issue? People donate to thrift shops all the time it’s not like they’re gonna run outta shit", ">\n\nNot all thrift stores are non profit. But that doesn't even matter for this post. If you buy something at a garage sale, you can sell it later. If you buy something at a thrift store, you can sell it later. I've bought toys for my kid at target and then sold them later. \nAnd you're totally right. It's not like the thrift store is going to run out of stuff or like they'd be mad. They want people to buy it.", ">\n\nthrift stores need sales to stay in business, just so you know", ">\n\nAnd pay people enough to want to work there.", ">\n\nYou say that as if clothing and textiles aren't dumped en masse to landfills. Look up how much goes to waste every single day. Resellers keep things out of landfills. (Where no one gets to use them).", ">\n\nThis comment should have more likes", ">\n\nIt sucks to make a living off it but I think it's a way to make some extra cash. I don't that it's wrong at all.", ">\n\nIt’s not just buying and reselling. You said they’re flipping them. They’re putting labor and effort into making the product they bought improved and better in quality. They deserve to sell it and make a profit from whoever wants to buy it. \nIf someone’s works on flipping a house, they’re supposed to sell it for the same price they bought it for when it was a dump? When it’s now completely refurbished? You obviously haven’t worked a day of physical labor in your life", ">\n\nBreath taking analysis, but your entire scenario is unrelated. Making investments in materials and making tangible investments in a property is not analogous to reselling.", ">\n\nThen say thrift store reselling. When you say flipping, that means physical effort went into improving the product and to make it like new and that drives it up to a higher reselling value. At the very least, the flipper deserves to be paid for their efforts and labor", ">\n\nThrift stores aren't a service provided for poor people to be able to clothe themselves... they're there as a business to sell bulk clothes", ">\n\nI really appreciate the fact that I can just buy the used item online and have it mailed to me. Cuz I'm too busy working to pay my rent to go through thift stores all the time", ">\n\nThe only horrible person in this scenario is the charity with exorbitant admin costs.", ">\n\nAny form of flipping that doesn’t involve fixing broken things is a horrible practice. Completely agree, had to explain to a friend how artificially raising the price on necessities like clothing is bad cause he’s got his own resale “business”", ">\n\nI hate to break it to you my man, but thrift stores are by their very nature exploitative as fuck all. Especially Goodwill.", ">\n\nMy girlfriend does this as a hobby. It brings in like $200-300 extra a month.", ">\n\nGoodwill is exploitive. Why does a donated pair of pants cost me 15$ used when i can go buy brand new jeans of the same brand for a few dollars more. Goodwill CEO makes millions while half their labor is volunteer / community service hours. Get real if you think a thrift store is bad. Charities are some of the most unethical companies on the planet.", ">\n\n$15??\nWhat Goodwill you going?\nI never see anything cost more than like 8 at mine. lol", ">\n\nwhy would you resell a thrift store", ">\n\nUgh I agree so much. I think for ppl struggling to get by it’s an important asset, but then ppl who aren’t see these assets as “deals” and buy out all the aid it offers. I feel like thrift stores should be privatized like Sam’s club…you have to apply for a membership and prove you’re below a certain tax bracket to get in. Consignment shops pick up all the good finds and charge quadruple the original price. It’s disgusting.", ">\n\nSo you're mad at capatalism yes?", ">\n\nI'm right there with you, unless they repair, refurbish, tailor or modify the clothing.", ">\n\nThey save me the hassle of going through stores to find what I want.", ">\n\nFood bank stuff is free. I pay for what I get from a thrift store", ">\n\nWell, a Canadian store called value village gets all of their supplies as donations and they sell it. \nMy mom bought an ikea coffee table from them, ikea sold the same thing new for the same price.", ">\n\n‘One of the most horrible.’ I don’t think you’d have to try hard to find countless far worse examples.", ">\n\nWeird thing to get mad about. I’m just happy anybody is finding a use for my old stuff I donate. There is such a steady supply of people donating their stuff that I just assumed most of it was being thrown away.", ">\n\nThe worst people are the ones who make videos bragging about how they browbeat down the old woman at the tag sale from $5 to $1 for the lot of hot wheels they can resell for $1500.", ">\n\nFood expires so I guess that'd be the first hurdle in your shit analogy.", ">\n\nso all antique stores should be banned?", ">\n\nI work at one in Finland we take donations we don’t buy the stuff in inventory. But let’s break it the resellers are the most reliable customers. And it’s not clothes they buy it’s stuff", ">\n\nI get the sentiment. I do. But if people spend money on something, they have the right to do what they want with it. Use it, gift it, sell it, burn it. It’s not hurting you or anyone else, so I don’t see a problem.", ">\n\nbad analogy food banks are for people who cannot afford food thrift shops are for anyone to buy from", ">\n\nFlip this thinking a bit. The buyer is paying extra money for someone to find a specific product at a thrift store. The thrift store and ppl it services aren't losing money, it's just someone else paying a finders fee bc the thrift store can't afford an expert valuation on every item.", ">\n\nStory time: one of my old co-workers did thrift store flipping. She was an older women with absolutely no consideration for those around her.\nShe would take the tip money for herself then claim we got no tips, try to sell us “Gucci” bags and “expensive diamond rings” for the great price of $500! Which was such a deal, so she said.\nShe constantly bragged about how good she was at scamming people on Facebook marketplace and would go to thrift stores daily then resell.\nI didn’t like her one bit.", ">\n\nI work at a thrift store and this is a good amount go out costumers. They always complain to get something cheaper and say we charge to much. Compared to every thrift store around us we are super cheap. Sometimes they break stuff to get it cheaper and it’s annoying. \nThis week a lady flipped a huge cabinet she bought for $10 and it looks amazing. Personally I don’t care that they resell it. It’s just annoying when they demand a lower price when it barley cost anything.", ">\n\nTell that to someone digging cobalt with their bare hands while carrying their kid on their back somewhere in Congo so that you could be judgemental about a job on your lithium powered smart phone.", ">\n\nMost thrift stores are for profit Anyway, goodwill, savers. Etc.", ">\n\nYe I wish there was no economy or things like that. But unfortunately there is.", ">\n\nYou could be a cop or a social media influencer or a Fox News reporter or a politician or a scam artist. My point being is there are way worse ways to make a living.", ">\n\nThe donation stores and flippers both suck. I think ways to avoid both are becoming more popular. My tiny rural area has \"free stuff\" events (yard sale set up where everything is free) and social media pages. Everyone knows who is getting what so I think the re sellers are mostly too ashamed to use these events.", ">\n\nThat's literally the business model of the thrift store industry, the vast majority is shipped to the 3rd world, sold in bulk and creates an entire for profit resale industry.", ">\n\nIsn’t the thrift store itself doing exactly what you have a problem with?", ">\n\nOne of the most exploitative things you’ve ever seen is reselling stuff from a thrift store?\nYou sound like you’ve never been in a thrift store and think it’s only for the most poverty stricken people. It’s for anyone, you don’t have to be in any sort of income bracket to shop there, and you’re free to do anything you want with what you buy\nStop in your local thrift store and you’ll see they’re not running out of stock anytime soon.", ">\n\nI'm not sure how much I'd agree with this.. Thrift store flipping is providing an opportunity for people to buy such items when those buyers might not have been able to otherwise (i.e., if there's no thrift store near them, or if they wouldn't be able to find a particular item locally, etc.).\nAlso, thrift stores themselves basically flip items that people donate. I've heard some people complaining about certain thrift stores too. Some people don't like Goodwill because the Goodwill CEO & high-ups make so much profit by basically selling things they get for free from peoples' donations, and they often price things probably higher than they should.", ">\n\nThrift stores open to the public on schedule. If the hustlers and go getters are out there getting the best selection, then hours later after the late sleepers get there.... That's not the hustlers fault.", ">\n\nI mean, an impoverished person could also flip it at the flea market.", ">\n\nBuying something cheap and reselling it is horrible?", ">\n\nI don't do it for a living but - I sell CDs at record shows and flip things why not 😍", ">\n\nWait till you find out about how big corporations make a living" ]

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[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually.", ">\n\nIf only." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually.", ">\n\nIf only.", ">\n\nBad person we want you to die with opiates how dare you\nWe can't make more monies from you unless you take our legal heroin" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually.", ">\n\nIf only.", ">\n\nBad person we want you to die with opiates how dare you\nWe can't make more monies from you unless you take our legal heroin", ">\n\nYou're grossly overthinking this. He shouldn't be vaping anything in a fucking hospital setting. The electric discharge of a vape is a fire hazard around oxygen equipment and no other patient should have to breathe in his Vape output. Look it sucks that he's terminally ill but he's not the only person sick or dying in that hospital and there's people there literally to take care of him who have to be considered as well. The \"legal heroine\" in the hospital isn't going to be breathed in by everyone nearby the person taking it. \nAs for the cops, there's no mystery here nor is there any conspiracy. They're fucking cops. By definition they are carceral Thugs who think the answer to everything is in a rest. They are very much the hammer that thinks everything in front of them is a nail." ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually.", ">\n\nIf only.", ">\n\nBad person we want you to die with opiates how dare you\nWe can't make more monies from you unless you take our legal heroin", ">\n\nYou're grossly overthinking this. He shouldn't be vaping anything in a fucking hospital setting. The electric discharge of a vape is a fire hazard around oxygen equipment and no other patient should have to breathe in his Vape output. Look it sucks that he's terminally ill but he's not the only person sick or dying in that hospital and there's people there literally to take care of him who have to be considered as well. The \"legal heroine\" in the hospital isn't going to be breathed in by everyone nearby the person taking it. \nAs for the cops, there's no mystery here nor is there any conspiracy. They're fucking cops. By definition they are carceral Thugs who think the answer to everything is in a rest. They are very much the hammer that thinks everything in front of them is a nail.", ">\n\nFor them to make him suffer is ridiculous and the nurse should be fired could of simple took pen and said violation of policy but no called the police where her compassion she needs a new career" ]

[ "He should have been in an elementary school. The cops would have just waited at the door for backup and never went in.", ">\n\nLand of the free, home of the brave", ">\n\nWe just call our kids 'The Brave' so we don't have to think too much about trying to recognize school shootings don't need to be a thing", ">\n\nI for one am glad that tax dollars are funding police to go after dangerous hardened criminals, like checks paper a terminal ill cancer patient vaping weed.\n/s", ">\n\nWhy hasn’t Biden rescheduled cannabis yet? I get that he and Kamala are very pro-police, but the War on Drugs is a clear failure.", ">\n\nHe only has indirect control of it happening. A lot of it, because he's the president, but not everyone who works for the presidency is loyal to the president, especially at this point in time. Like, he straight up doesn't trust the secret service enough to speak openly around them after the Jan 6 cover-ups. A lot of people are actively fighting any progress even under him, and he doesn't have immediate say.", ">\n\nDoes he not have the power to fire those people? Like, he is in charge of who is in charge of the department of justice, so what's the holdup?", ">\n\nNope. Can't say for certain about whatever department is in charge of rescheduling drugs, but the USSS only \"listens\" to the head of the Department of Homeland Security - as in, they explicitly refuse to take orders from the president or anyone under their \"protection\" - and they have a horrible track record of even listening to the DHS. They're effectively loose cannons. Biden can order a clear out of them, I think, but they normally just shuffle each other around, and bring more MAGAts in, because they have final say over who takes their place.\nDid some research, the people in charge of rescheduling drugs are the DEA, who in turn report to the attorney general. AGs basically never force anyone to do anything without going to court, and again, the DEA mainly only reports to them, they can choose to take orders, but they have a concerning amount of power to just... Do as they wish.\nMoral of the story, the president only really has indirect power over things except executive orders, and only has semi-direct power if the people who he can't easily get rid of are loyal to the office and just the person.", ">\n\nSo you're telling me that if the president ordered the AG to deschedule it, the DEA would just refuse to listen to them?", ">\n\nAttorney General can't do shit about that other than give an order to look at it, not full on reschedule it because the attorney general doesn't have that power, which they can then \"take\" and stall into oblivion.", ">\n\nSo the DEA just operates without oversight?", ">\n\nKinda, yeah. More like \"plausible deniability in the eyes of the law\", though. The fact that you don't know this tells me you should probably dig into the history a lot of departments under the president have. This is kinda a pattern throughout time where they just do shady shit and get away Scott free. Fuck, our own military pulls shit like that all the time. It's why there's sometimes talk about them assisting a coup, including the Jan 6 coup attempt, because we don't know how many of them are actually loyal, and how many of them just keep up appearances.", ">\n\nInteresting, you'd think the president would want that resolved. I guess it gives them the ability to deny responsibility as well and the people get fucked either way.", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\nACAB", ">\n\n2 things here: \nHospitals never want outside meds interfering with their treatment plans (and probably profits).\nIn a heavily oxygenated room, fire becomes a greater risk, but as a caregiver, the inevitable explosions from oxygen portrayed in movies are just not at all common. I can see why they took the vape as combustible devices are not permitted in hospitals (and we do have plenty of examples of them exploding).\n\nBretz was cited for drug possession and is set to appear in court after the new year on January 2nd, 2023.\n\nThis is where shit gets really stupid. What are they going to do, sentence him to prison while he's dying?", ">\n\nI feel like the cops probably had to give a citation because he was breaking the law? I hope they weren’t all happy to do it. \nThe person that called the cops should be ashamed of themselves if they did so without first trying to reason with the patient", ">\n\nI blame the cops more than the hospital worker.\nThey're under state health and hospital regs and those often stipulate they call the police over anything. \nCops don't have to cite people. For plenty of cases, they'll just take the small stash and destroy it, and I think that's what should've been done here.", ">\n\nSee I thought they had to cite if they found something illegal but if they don’t then yeah, they are scum", ">\n\nI'd worry about the cops being worried about liability but since they basically have to be a serial killer to be held accountable (off the clock), I can't give them the benefit of the doubt here.", ">\n\nThat's not entirely true, but okay. People forget that media against the cops are like negative reviews on Amazon. A few hundred bad cases spread out against hundreds of thousands of cops but all cops are bad...\nThis narrative is honestly tiresome af.", ">\n\nBecause the ones that are bad are severely bad and it's common enough that it is something you need to be concerned about.", ">\n\nand the supposedly good ones do fuck all about the bad ones. Also known as ACAB", ">\n\nwhen I was hospitalized they said I couldn’t use it because it could get into the rooms of other patients through the ventilation system or something. I got in a lot of trouble when my nurse saw it. I’d eaten my last edible earlier thankfully", ">\n\nI mean, he's vaping in the hospital. I'd wager he was asked to stop doing it, and refused. I seriously doubt the cops were the first step here. \nHe should have asked to be discharged and just spent his final days vaping at his house.", ">\n\nYeah. I was totally ready to be outraged, but you CANNOT be doing unsanctioned drugs in a hospital. For your care and their liability, they need to know exactly what you’re on. And you have no idea how your vape is going to affect other patients. \nI’m very sorry he’s in pain, but there are reasons for these rules.", ">\n\nRead the article.\n\nBretz told the Kansas City Star that his doctor told him to use whatever was necessary to relieve his pain, including products containing THC — the active ingredient in cannabis.", ">\n\nHis doctor in the hospital? Or his GP? Because the GP doesn’t have any say in hospital rules. He may have just told him that as general advice, not saying “vape like mad in a hospital.”", ">\n\nI think either way we can agree he shouldn't have been charged with a crime", ">\n\nWe can also agree that he shouldn’t be smoking/vaping in a hospital.", ">\n\nWe don’t!", ">\n\nMan I am as Pro marijuana legalization as anybody but this is just catastrophically fucking stupid. You absolutely should not be smoking or vaping in a hospital. There's no reasonable debate there. It is both a medical Hazard to other patients and a fire hazard around all the oxygenated equipment.", ">\n\nSmoking around oxygen dumb every time!\nVaping around oxygen totally fine!! It’s physics dog, it doesn’t care if you’re pro marijuana or otherwise.\nEdit: what a clown. Blocks me and reports me to Reddit for suicide lmaoooo. Sorry for living in real life buddy!", ">\n\nYou clearly don't know how vape pens make vapor and yet you beblown yourself lecturing someone else on what you think \"physics\" is.\nThey work with an electrical potential that can often spark internally and which can start an out of control reaction rapidly in an oxygen saturated environment. Vape pens, while \"rare\" do catch fire disproportionately relative to other electronic devices and both the risk of that happening and the risk of it causing a larger fire increase significantly when the oxygen level elevated. Increasing oxygen saturation lowers the ignition temperature of almost everything.\nIt's physics, \"dog\" and it doesn't care that you have the scientific literacy of a held back 5th grader.\nMaybe if your parents bother to help you with your homework instead of letting you lick lead paint chips off the walls you might know that.", ">\n\nThe charges were dropped :) IMO, take the vape away if you have to, but the cops shouldn’t have been called", ">\n\nFuck conservatives. Fucking freaks", ">\n\nWorking in EMS I am considered a mandatory reporter. That is, if I witness things like child/elder abuse, drug abuse, etc I have a legal obligation to report it to the authorities. If I don’t I could be found criminally liable. Which most times is a good thing; we want to make sure child abuse is reported if seen. \nA handful of times I have been on calls for patients with terminal conditions who have a couple of plants etc. I have never reported that because this is the dumb shit that would happen. It’s absolutely inhumane for the cops to do this. Unfortunately, it’s no shock to anyone seeing this kind of police behavior at any given time.", ">\n\nThe article says they took away his vape pen because of the fire itself in a high oxygen environment.", ">\n\nDoes the hospital ban all rechargeable batteries? Because it's not the vape that causes the fire, and multiple cell phone brands along with laptops have known to cause the same fires.", ">\n\nNot sure the state (DA) has any expectation that a terminally ill patient confined to a hospital room will (can) show up for arraignment. My guess is DA chooses not to pursue and leaves this poor dying man alone.", ">\n\nLock that criminal up for life", ">\n\nDid they even bother to get a warrant or does this fall under the \"I smelled weed\" cop exception to the 4th amendment?\nProbably more of a crime in progress given some crank nurse ratted him out.", ">\n\nThe comments on this are so dumb. You shouldn’t vape in a hospital for the safety of other patients who may be sensitive to the unknown chemicals in it.", ">\n\nPolice motto, \"Always escalate \"", ">\n\nJesus.\nI live in TN, where marijuana is illegal and there is no exemption whatsoever for medical purposes - or any reason. Even possession is taken very seriously and a lot of places in the state and will catch you actual jail time. They have literally conducted SWAT raids on families, even ones in \"nice suburban upscale neighborhoods\" because they had a small backyard garden, which, amongst all that tomato and zucchini plants, was a single hemp plant that the husband had planted hoping to see if he could make actual fiber from it as a little science experiment to show his toddler. A single, completely legal, hemp plant. They did multiple helicopter flyovers before conducting a full raid on the home and property to find that single legal hemp plant. That's how Tennessee feels about marijuana in a nutshell.\nThat said, I am terminally ill. I'm a young adult as well. I am in a palliative care program that is a sort of bridge to hospice. I could switch to hospice whenever I wanted and I would be able to keep the same physician and so on, and I also use now, and will use then, the palliative care wing when I am in the hospital for anything or if I finally decide to do hospice because of my unique situation of dependence on a ventilator. At that point, certain treatments will be stopped and basically I will wait for my breathing to fail enough to where they sedate me and remove me from my ventilator. So hospice will be very short-lived and I stay technically in palliative care until that time, but I am essentially treated as if I am in hospice and kept mostly under the same treatment ideals by my doctor and the hospital. I am on opiate medication to help control a lot of the severe pain that I have. It barely takes the edge off because I still wish to be able to function as I feel that is the whole point, the pain was so severe that it kept me from being able to function on any small level that I can still do and generally just made consciousness torturous. So it at least mitigates that.\nPhysicians do occasionally dance around the topic of marijuana here and discussions with me. I don't see it as much of an option in my case because it actually does not do well with me because of some mental health problems I have, mainly that I have type 1 bipolar disorder and it causes me to have auditory hallucinations whenever I have had edibles or any such and generally has not helped me with pain or anything else. I very much wish that it did, but it has not...and the side effects that it caused me were too troublesome. So it's not an option for me anyway, but even if it was, it is still very taboo even for people that they know are dying because it is illegal and they do prosecute it here. I would not be surprised at all to see such a news article from Tennessee. I could very much see them doing such a thing. But the vast majority of people in healthcare in this state do not agree with that at all. Virtually all of them, especially those involved in end of life care or even many involved in pain management would like to see the laws change drastically because even with just pain management, it causes a lot of sticky situations on drug screens and what they have to do about terminating patients who test positive for THC.\nFor a few weeks, I tried some legal, over the counter CBD oil. It didn't do anything for me, but suddenly I was popping positive for THC on drug screens. I had some severe seizures and ended up in the hospital - and they did drug screens (which I almost never ever have when admitted, but they do it if you have seizures) and found that. I had never tested positive for THC in my life and I hadn't had marijuana/THC edibles, etc in the past 7 years at least, probably 10yrs+. I was dumbfounded.... And really scared. I was afraid that I was going to get booted from palliative care and generally blacklisted. It was never mentioned, not even by the physicians during my hospitalization where the results came from. Literally no one cared. I thought I would head off any issues by telling my psychiatrist at the next appointment, but he thought it was hilarious. A huge grin spread across his face and you'd think I told him the best joke ever lmao. I took the same approach with palliative care and told him, he also laughed a whole lot just at the fact that I tested positive from that and, I think, at how nervous and worried I was over something that he gave not a single shit about. Then he just waved his hand as if to dismiss the whole thing and then changed the subject to find out how our other med changes had done recently. And it was never brought up ever again. It's probably not even mentioned in my records as the results were from another hospital. It seems like the only people who give a single crap about marijuana use at this point are the police and lawmakers who insist upon keeping it illegal and paying tons of money, tons of tax payer money, to imprison people for even just using it or possessing it. When my doctors just thought the whole thing was a big joke and even the physicians during the admission for which I tested positive never even mentioned it, with me only finding out because I looked through the records and found the test results. That was really telling to me about what kind of harm marijuana can do... Not really any as long as it is regulated as they do cigarettes or alcohol.\nAs long as people observe the same precautions with alcohol, like not driving while their judgment and driving abilities are impaired, then there is a lot of tax revenue to be made... And a lot of money to be saved by not spending tens and hundreds of thousands to imprison even just a single person over the possession or use of marijuana, which also can destroy a person's life because of the record and the trouble it would cause not only getting gainful employment, but even now, renting an apartment. Finding housing is becoming increasingly difficult if you have any kind of criminal record. Such a small thing can completely destroy someone's life and turn them more to a life of crime because it is so difficult to live by working a normal job because no one will hire you, then you can't afford to live. That's the sad reality. And these people could be working and paying taxes and being regular, contributing members of society. It's a waste from all angles. Just stupid as hell.\nAnyway, sorry for the long fucking book. But this is one of my pet peeves, which is ironic since I don't even want to smoke marijuana. Or vape it. Or eat it. Or whatever. But I think other people should not be penalized for responsible use. It's just ridiculous at this point. Especially when you're talking about pain control, and even more so when you're talking about pain control or nausea control at end of life care. I mean, come the fuck on.", ">\n\nInsane. Just a ridiculous waste of taxpayer dollars.", ">\n\nThis is the way to do it right here. Go after extremely vulnerable people and make a news story that exposes how ridiculous the law is. Agitate the public until they overwhelmingly support legalization rather than just slightly support it. I'm hoping that down in Texas there's new stories about 10 year olds being forced to give birth to rapists children in the daily newspapers regularly. Show the public what their laws do.", ">\n\nAnd they will be reincarnated as cockroaches in the next life.\nJustice will be served, eventually.", ">\n\nIf only.", ">\n\nBad person we want you to die with opiates how dare you\nWe can't make more monies from you unless you take our legal heroin", ">\n\nYou're grossly overthinking this. He shouldn't be vaping anything in a fucking hospital setting. The electric discharge of a vape is a fire hazard around oxygen equipment and no other patient should have to breathe in his Vape output. Look it sucks that he's terminally ill but he's not the only person sick or dying in that hospital and there's people there literally to take care of him who have to be considered as well. The \"legal heroine\" in the hospital isn't going to be breathed in by everyone nearby the person taking it. \nAs for the cops, there's no mystery here nor is there any conspiracy. They're fucking cops. By definition they are carceral Thugs who think the answer to everything is in a rest. They are very much the hammer that thinks everything in front of them is a nail.", ">\n\nFor them to make him suffer is ridiculous and the nurse should be fired could of simple took pen and said violation of policy but no called the police where her compassion she needs a new career", ">\n\nHello, it looks like you've made a mistake.\nIt's supposed to be could've, should've, would've (short for could have, would have, should have), never could of, would of, should of.\nOr you misspelled something, I ain't checking everything.\nBeep boop - yes, I am a bot, don't botcriminate me." ]