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[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity)." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps…." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites", ">\n\nMaybe she needed draggin’. Just saying ……" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites", ">\n\nMaybe she needed draggin’. Just saying ……", ">\n\nWow, what a dumb cop. Just tell them that not moving is scawwy for you, then shoot them. Then its the coroners problem." ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites", ">\n\nMaybe she needed draggin’. Just saying ……", ">\n\nWow, what a dumb cop. Just tell them that not moving is scawwy for you, then shoot them. Then its the coroners problem.", ">\n\n“oh well, on to the next sty!”" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites", ">\n\nMaybe she needed draggin’. Just saying ……", ">\n\nWow, what a dumb cop. Just tell them that not moving is scawwy for you, then shoot them. Then its the coroners problem.", ">\n\n“oh well, on to the next sty!”", ">\n\nNow to see how quickly he gets rehired by another PD" ]

[ "Rookie. You can never justify dragging, just shooting.", ">\n\nFirst thing they teach cadets at the academy.", ">\n\nThis crazy cus ive seen cops not fired for doing worse lol", ">\n\nIt's unlikely that he was a model employee for 6 years and then got fired for this one misdeed. It is more likely that he has a history of issues and this was the straw that broke the camel's back.", ">\n\nnah, this mistake was just too public. The only thing they care about more than that blue line is bad PR. They cant really spin this so they let him go for the PD down the road to hire him.", ">\n\nThey are not worried about extremely public misdeeds. They wanted him gone for sure.", ">\n\nThis is probably accurate. What he did isn't even that bad. Person was uncooperative and sort of forced the scenario. Yeah, I read the article and they are saying \"That isn't policy\" and that is likely true. But as the poster(s) before you indicated they get away with much much worse constantly. They really wanted this guy gone (and the sad thing is.... this doesn't even mean he was a bad cop. He might have been speaking out against bad cops so they got rid of him at first opportunity).", ">\n\nDollars to donuts he gets hired in a nearby county or another department within the year.", ">\n\nThe union gets him his job back with back pay in six months.", ">\n\nWhy do we allow public servants who already individually hold a lot of authority and power to collectively negotiate?\nAmerica hates unions but this is the one time naturally they would make a fucking exception.", ">\n\nBecause all workers should have the right to collective bargaining. There are no exceptions. Police unions have gone too far and need to be kept more in check, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't exist.", ">\n\nHow do you keep them in check without opening the door to all unions being defanged?", ">\n\nAll other unions already are defanged. There's such a vast imbalance that police unions can lose a huge amount of power and other unions can gain it without even meeting in the middle. As for how? I don't know, that's what we have experts for.", ">\n\nI'm saying I want you to suggest laws that specifically control the police union without obstructing other already beaten down unions.", ">\n\nWheelchair in all police cars trunks. Next years standard load out, coming soon.", ">\n\nNever forget the time cops rolled Ammon Bundy out of a courthouse in an office chair.", ">\n\nI thank you for the correction.", ">\n\nThis feels like they were looking for an excuse to fire him and maybe wanted some good PR out of it. If you've been paying attention to headlines over the past couple ~~years~~ decades you know that cops get away with WAY worse on a regular basis.", ">\n\nCenturies, my dude. If you’ve been paying attention over the past couple centuries you know cops get away with WAY worse in a regular basis.", ">\n\n\nThe woman was being arrested for trespassing, according to the release. A body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nBeing so easily goaded, this idiot was a lawsuit and wrongful death waiting to happen", ">\n\nIf someone refused to exit and they were rightfully arrested. \nWhat would you have done? \nPlease don’t say. “Something else”\nIf you identify the actions as wrong. \nWhat would you have done?", ">\n\nFollowed policy and went to get help from jail staff or other officers.\nIt's in the article.", ">\n\nOkay and\nWhat were they going to do if she still refused to exit or walk????\nIt’s great defending with to “get jail staff”\nAssuming she does the same thing. It would be jail staff dragging her not police and we’d still be here. \nIf she’s fully not compliant on walking but able to, and is intent on being dragged. You have an uncooperative person. \nYou can either drug them, or attempt to use forceful restraints but using either of those requires getting close to someone who’s not compliant…\nMy point being you just deferred without being able to come up with a plan for someone who isn’t complaint. \nThose who are not complaint do often kick, bite, squirm, and fight. \nHospital staff get injured, and patients are often smothered by pure muscle weight until they can literally tranq them.\nBut saying all that. As what I last said is standard SOP for a lot of medical staff plus a bunch of other shit afterwards, people will still be screaming saying it’s inhumane\nBut no one offers what they would do only that it’s inhumane or yell, get someone else.\nIf you’ve never dealt with a full non compliant person depending on the situation there is often times no other option but to tranq them, forcefully get them on a gurney and use leather straps, face(bite / spit mask) and you might have to drag them out to get them to that point. \nFully non complaint people are a bit different then someone who is compliant but treated like shit.\nBut I’ve seen fully non compliant people face to face and as an observer. Shits not the same as an everyday arrest or medical treatment.", ">\n\nOkay and\nIts literally on the article champ. Don't drag uncooperative people on the ground. Go get a few more people and pick their \"non compliant\" ass up off the ground and carry them into the jail.", ">\n\nI don’t get it, this is normal in my area", ">\n\nWhat needs to happen with rogue cops is not only firing, but barring them from ever being law enforcement again and remove their pension. Bet you shit would change then.", ">\n\nJust take something similar to what the military has:\nHonorable\nLess than honorable\nDishonorable discharge\nHonorable = good cop 60 years old 40 years on the force everyone loves them\nLess than honorable = late to work not doing paper work\nDishonorable = anything that gets the media on you for treating humans like garbage bags.", ">\n\nAmendment to the last point; anything that would get you discharged from the military or fired in any other vocation.", ">\n\nConsidering police policy is so much more lenient when it comes to killing civilians than military rules of engagement, cops don’t even get fired for things that soldiers would serve prison time for.", ">\n\nNeed to keep an eye on cops for many reasons. This, not so much", ">\n\nCurious what he was supposed to do instead. Let her sit in his fucking car all night? You don't have a right to refuse to go to jail. That said, I have a feeling he was a problem child for this agency and they were simply looking for an opportunity to fire him. Because this really wasn't that big of a deal. He didn't injure her, or use excessive force. He simply slid her along the ground while she was acting like a 3 year old.", ">\n\nThis is definitely for the best. I hope he doesn't have a wife or kids. Also, I wish there was laws in place to remove guns from fired officers. It scares me even if they get fired they can just move to the next city and still have access to weapons.\nEdit: within him being fired is for the best.\nEdit: since the person below pointed out why should they get their rights stripped... I'm talking about the fucking cops that are aggressive and get fired for it.", ">\n\nHim being fired is good.\nWhy should fired government employees have their rights stripped? Willy nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope, especially when someone can be fired for any reason. Your position assumes the people with the power to terminate employment are in the right/good/objective people.", ">\n\n\nWilly nilly right-deprivation without trial is a slippery slope\n\ncoughs in red flag & civil forfeiture laws\nYou make a good point.", ">\n\n“I want you to drag me.”", ">\n\nShooting her would have been so much easier. Just switch off the body cam. Say you feel threatened and justice is served…cold", ">\n\nYet not charged, weird. Shocking even. /S", ">\n\nWhat would he even be charged with? The woman requested it lmao.", ">\n\nOnce someone is in custody authorities have a duty to the safety and health of the prisoner. A reasonable person would have called for backup and not been a fucking animal, but those people are weeded out of law enforcement.\nThey have spit bags, wheeled chairs, and many other ways of dealing with issues like this.\nYou can find it funny but that says a lot about you that you LYAO at someone likely have a mental health issue getting abused.", ">\n\nAlright, that all sounds like violation of policy. But if she requested it, it's not criminal charges.\nAlso that's not what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at you thinking this should result in criminal charges. Because it's dumb.", ">\n\nIt's maybe a violation of policy but also her civil rights. She was a secured prisoner. Shows you humility. Shows your morality that you think abuse of a prisoner isn't a criminal offense. Qualified immunity needs to be a thing of the past and that officer needs to be in jail. You think that is the first rough ride he gave?\nWould you want you or your family member to be treated like that?\nI smell bacon that needs their body cam evaluated.", ">\n\nIt's not a violation of her civil rights if SHE REQUESTED IT. if she was my family, I'd laugh at her for being an idiot", ">\n\nA prisoner who requested to be abused by a police officer isn't a valid request. You can tell that cuz he got FIRED. Someone having a mental breakdown (my assumption) in custody can't waive their rights. The fact you are still engaging in this bullshit again shows me you have serious issues and need help. Please seek it. Conversation over.", ">\n\nLmfao if you have this much sympathy for a criminal that broke the law and requested to be treated a certain way because she was an asshole then you're the one that needs therapy.", ">\n\nYup look in the mirror. Humans have hormones that limit sympathy for people with people they struggle with. Again you are an asshole who I hope has no authority. Someone breaking the law doesn't deserve to be abused no matter what they say.", ">\n\nIn his defense, she did ask to be dragged. Maybe he was just obliging her last request before jail.", ">\n\nDoesn't matter. Its against protocol. If she was refusing to walk on her own and would not leave the officers vehicle, they should have secured her back into the vehicle, then called for assistance and the restraint chair. Secure her in said chair, then wheel her inside the police department. But he did not want to follow protocol, did what he did and got fired for it.", ">\n\nAt least they didn’t put their knee on that person’s neck. \nBaby steps….", ">\n\nThe ~~victim~~ perp was white. That's probably why she wasn't shot and/or tased to force compliance.", ">\n\nResisting arrest; failure to follow a lawful order, and trespassing. What a peach.", ">\n\nnot sure why the cop was fired here. he tried to pick her up but she insisted several times that he drag her instead. not to mention it was a short distance on a smooth floor.", ">\n\n\nThe agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said.\nDamon had been with the Tampa Police Department since 2016.\n\nSo he would have NEVER learned that dragging suspects is OK from official policy, which change 3 years before being hired.", ">\n\nwhat’s he supposed to do when the suspect doesn’t comply? sit there and wait for her to be ready to go in?", ">\n\nHe could try the radio, call for help. Its in the police station parking lot surely there were other cops.", ">\n\nThis is the Drag Time that DeSantis should be upset about.", ">\n\n-Criminal tells officer she won't leave vehicle \n-Tells officer she wants to be dragged \n-Officer drags Criminal \n-Officer loses job\nWtf?", ">\n\nWhat part of that is confusing to you?", ">\n\nI'm not OP, but I'm legitimately confused as to what should be done in this situation..? Force her into a wheelchair? Wait til she stops resisting? Give up and let her go? Try to negotiate with her? Lure her inside with food? Turn the heater on full blast in the car and wait? Yell \"tag, you're it,\" and run inside?\nI honestly don't know.", ">\n\nThe answer is in the article.", ">\n\n\"Ask for assistance.\"\nThen what? Carry her by her arms and legs? Is that ok with department protocol? I don't see any answers in the article, but maybe I overlooked it.", ">\n\nThat’s the answer. Get more than one person involved so you aren’t dragging the person on the floor. Since there was a policy added in 2013 to stop dragging people. It really is a weirdly specific policy.", ">\n\nAt least we agree on the weirdness of that policy. I'm assuming it stems from a much worse incident than this one, but protocol is protocol. Sad that she will probably get a nice paycheck just for being stubborn, but I guess this cop should have known better. I have zero pity for her. He even stopped and asked her again to stand up, and she still refused.", ">\n\nSome of this behavior comes from cops seeing their job as only a job. Something they can clock in and out of and forget about it until the next day. That’s not what that signed up for whether they like it or or some fascist politician says. That cop is in a hurry. Why? They’re in handcuffs. Go get help, etc.", ">\n\nI live in a country, where the requirements to become a cop are quite demanding, both physically and mentally. They receive extensive (2 years) training and are open to scrutiny. Every time one of them fires their handgun, which happens like 5 times a year total, an investigation is launched, regardless of the circumstances. With that said, dragging a suspect who refuses to comply would be an absolute non-issue here.", ">\n\nI saw this on TV, they were right to fire him. He was dragging that lady, he should have called for backup. Dumb cops these days smh", ">\n\n\nA body camera video shows her refusing to leave Damon’s vehicle while parked at the Orient Road Jail and telling the officer, “I want you to drag me.”\n\nI'm kinda torn on this. Normally I'd be against the cop, but he provided her with what she asked for.\nWhat are they saying should have been done? Call for backup to the parking garage? Crack a window and leave her in the car while the cop goes for more help? Wrestle with a woman likely to go dead weight?", ">\n\nStop hating on cops just to hate on cops. The accountability should clearly fall on her and our standards for behavior in public is at an all time low. In no way in my mind should this be a big deal", ">\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.", ">\n\n\nI don't see the issue here. He just did what the woman requested.\n\nHEY LOOK EVERYONE!\nSOMEONE WHO DOESNT READ ARTCILES:\n\"The agency said it revised policy in 2013 to forbid officers from dragging uncooperative suspects on the ground. Officers should instead seek assistance from jail booking staff or other law enforcement, police said\"", ">\n\nWill be rehired in 3...2...1", ">\n\nApnews has one of the shittiest websites", ">\n\nMaybe she needed draggin’. Just saying ……", ">\n\nWow, what a dumb cop. Just tell them that not moving is scawwy for you, then shoot them. Then its the coroners problem.", ">\n\n“oh well, on to the next sty!”", ">\n\nNow to see how quickly he gets rehired by another PD", ">\n\nI thought that looked like a Tampa police car 🤦‍♀️ Glad they fired him though" ]

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[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYes, just a single one night stand and we'd wind up with an accidental pregnancy leading to the birth of the unicyclicorn, which, despite its name, does not ride a one-wheeled vehicle. But could, potentially." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYes, just a single one night stand and we'd wind up with an accidental pregnancy leading to the birth of the unicyclicorn, which, despite its name, does not ride a one-wheeled vehicle. But could, potentially.", ">\n\nWell he certainly isn’t getting an “official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.”, for Christmas." ]

[ "This is a friendly reminder to read our rules.\nRemember, /r/Showerthoughts is for showerthoughts, not \"thoughts had in the shower!\"\n(For an explanation of what a \"showerthought\" is, please read this page.)\nRule-breaking posts may result in bans.", ">\n\nYes, just a single one night stand and we'd wind up with an accidental pregnancy leading to the birth of the unicyclicorn, which, despite its name, does not ride a one-wheeled vehicle. But could, potentially.", ">\n\nWell he certainly isn’t getting an “official Red Ryder, carbine action, 200-shot, range model air rifle, with a compass in the stock and this thing that tells time.”, for Christmas.", ">\n\nHe'll shoot his eye out" ]

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[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies.", ">\n\nYup only one death as well on 6/4/1989" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies.", ">\n\nYup only one death as well on 6/4/1989", ">\n\nClippy: \"Looks like you're trying to end up on a Ministry of State Security watchlist! Would you like some help with that?\"" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies.", ">\n\nYup only one death as well on 6/4/1989", ">\n\nClippy: \"Looks like you're trying to end up on a Ministry of State Security watchlist! Would you like some help with that?\"", ">\n\nLet’s be real, anyone who’s posted a comment here is on the watchlist" ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies.", ">\n\nYup only one death as well on 6/4/1989", ">\n\nClippy: \"Looks like you're trying to end up on a Ministry of State Security watchlist! Would you like some help with that?\"", ">\n\nLet’s be real, anyone who’s posted a comment here is on the watchlist", ">\n\nThey shot the rest in the head before they died so it wasn’t technically death by Covid." ]

[ "Call me skeptic, but think that figure might be missing few zeros", ">\n\nIt's likely missing thousands of people who happened to have Covid that died, which China is attributing to other causes, like shortness of breath.", ">\n\nThousands are too conservative. Right now in Shanghai, the government requisitions storage facilities for tuna and salmon to store the bodies. Even ocean freight containers are used for this purpose.", ">\n\n...?\nIt's surely not millions, it took US over a year to hit 1 million, China even at abysmal COVID rates would be the same order of magnitude as america in maybe winter of 2020. Ballpark 10,000 deaths.", ">\n\nEven if you take repeated infection into consideration. With 80% infection rate in major urban centers we are looking at over a million. A good reference is Hong Kong—7-8m population and Within 2 months > 10000 died. China death will be in the 7 figures conservatively speaking.", ">\n\nTo clarify, I meant per day. Could very well be >1,000,000 when done", ">\n\nSorry I misunderstood. Yes definitely in the 5 figures per day.", ">\n\nThe other 10000 just got mad and stopped breathing, just like children. Nothing bad happened in China, and nothing bad will never happen, as they're too good in everything. /s", ">\n\nThey changed how covid deaths are counted. \nLike if you had a history of respiratory problems and you get covid which made your respiratory problems worse and died because of it. You died because of respiratory problems.", ">\n\nKinda reminds me of an old communist joke about the Securitate (Romania's secret police during the communist regime).\nA wife and husband were having dinner when suddenly some Securitate agents crashed the door, grabbed the husband and left. After a few weeks the wife finally manages to get an audience with them and asks \"Where is my husband? He hasn't been home for weeks.\"\n\"Unfortunately he died of pneumonia.\"\n\"But he was perfectly healthy the last time I've seen him!\"\n\"Well he tried to run so he was covered in sweat, the weather was bad, the bullet was cold...\"", ">\n\nSadly he was the guy responsible for counting COVID deaths. On the bright side tomorrow’s death report is looking “fabulous”", ">\n\nWell that's a unique suicide.", ">\n\nThis isn't even misinformation. It's just straight up lying and everyone knows it. F**k you, China.", ">\n\nI know right? This is making some of Putins lies at least look like they had some basis, even though they were still lies.", ">\n\nYup only one death as well on 6/4/1989", ">\n\nClippy: \"Looks like you're trying to end up on a Ministry of State Security watchlist! Would you like some help with that?\"", ">\n\nLet’s be real, anyone who’s posted a comment here is on the watchlist", ">\n\nThey shot the rest in the head before they died so it wasn’t technically death by Covid.", ">\n\nCan't die of COVID with a .45 in your skull!" ]